[ana maria]

Please, I need ID for these flowerpiercer.
I visited Villa de Leyva, and took these images.

Ana Maria.

[birdboybowley]

Rusty and Glossy Flowerpiercers

[Rasmus Boegh]

I suspect the 2nd may be a Black Flowerpiercer (careful; subspecies mixed up in Birds of Northern South America). Ana Maria: For future reference, please always post the original unedited photos when asking for identifications. Change of contrast and alike, as appears to have happened in this case, often makes it harder to reach an identification. In this specific case significantly harder, as the exact hue of the shoulder patch and rump is important.

[ana maria]

Thank you for your advise, here is the unedited image,

Ana Maria,

[birdboybowley]

Still looks too glossy for Black - so Glossy for me...!! If that makes sense?!

[Rasmus Boegh]

The difference in gloss is marginal at best, and while my experiance with the subspecies humeralis of the Black is limited, I remember being unable to use this specific feature with any level of reliability (seeing rather dull individuals that then revealed a black rump, and rather glossy individuals that then revealed a grey rump). Same can be said about exact hue of the shoulder, though it, based on my judgement at least, would point slightly towards Glossy based on the unedited photo. I thought I could see the grey rump peaking through at the uppertail coverts when presented with the first modified photo, but cannot see this on the unedited. The bill, likely the most reliable feature when the rump cannot be seen, just buggs me. It appears rather small like a typical Black.

[ana maria]

OK, here is another unedited image that might help to identify it.

Ana.