UK National Trust - Crackdown on photography

[Nikon Kid]

I did not know where to put this, but seeing as I am on this thread alot I put it here.

It seems that any images taken in the Farne Islands could be illegal to post them on here without permission ? and basically at all their land owned by NT very interesting reading.

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=34686

[Marcus Conway - ebirder]

I imagine this is a kick back from the 'rights grab' from their comps etc.

[ed keeble]

Sounds like they may have adopted a rather over-the-top concept of commercial use to catch all publication of pics, even in personal albums. Compare with the WWT, whose rule is:

"Photography is permitted – but for your own personal use only. Any commercial / stock library photography must be agreed in advance and is subject to a fee."

http://www.wwt.org.uk/text/211/visitor_information.html

[AC/DC]

Sounds like they may have adopted a rather over-the-top concept of commercial use to catch all publication of pics, even in personal albums. Compare with the WWT, whose rule is:

"Photography is permitted – but for your own personal use only. Any commercial / stock library photography must be agreed in advance and is subject to a fee."

http://www.wwt.org.uk/text/211/visitor_information.html

Not really:
"Our policy is explicit in welcoming people to take photographs out of doors at properties for personal use"

[Overread]

I see to recall this all blew up on the EPZ forms - I think in the end the outcome was found that its affecting the buildings and landscaped gardens of the NT and not the wildlife based zones. I didn't look too far into it (sadly NT seemed to be giving out mixed messages and with a bit of rumor thrown in things got rather mixed up) but far as I really the wildlands were unaffected.

[Barred Wobbler]

Good job Grace Darling didn't have a camera.

[njlarsen]

This seems rediculous. I don't hope the laws actually support something like this.

Niels

[Jaff]

I wouldn't have had the National Trust pegged as facists but wow I guess we learn something new everyday.

This is bull excrement of the highest order.

[hollis_f]

I did not know where to put this, but seeing as I am on this thread alot I put it here.

It seems that any images taken in the Farne Islands could be illegal to post them on here without permission ? and basically at all their land owned by NT very interesting reading.

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=34686

When this story first broke in, April, I emailed the head warden at the Farne Islands - David Steel - asking about selling photos taken on the island. He said that they were an 'open-space property' and, as such, there were no restrictions on photography.

[Peter_Perfect]

I got interested in this area due to the controversy of taking photos of public transport. From reading what literature there is and put aside gov restrictions of military, sensitive sites etc.

The law is actually about copyright, so no criminal law is involved with the exception of that mentioned above. If you are standing in a public area you can take what photos you like. This does not mean that someone may take exception and it may be more politic to ask permission first (even though you don't need it). Once you step onto someone's property you need to know their stance on taking photos or get permission.

Can't guarantee this is correct but it is my understanding at the moment.

[Peter_Perfect]

The thread referred to in the first entry points to NTPL which is the NT photo library - a commercial deal. I could not find their actual photographic policy, except a reference that is it under review. NT recently got a kicking over their 'rights grab' for photography competitions. But looking at the conditions for their latest comp they seemed to have learned a lesson.

The NT main point appears to be - are you getting commercial gain from a photo that you took while on their property. If it is for non profit use, do what you want.

[Stoggler]

There is some confusion about taking photos in public places, even with the police being overzealous and skittish in these times of heightened paranoia about terrorists and paedophiles. I've attached a link to an article on the BBC from last year which mentions the situation with regards to the legal situation of taking photos. Although not specific to the National Trust per se, it may be of interest:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7351252.stm

[Nikon Kid]

The thread referred to in the first entry points to NTPL which is the NT photo library - a commercial deal. I could not find their actual photographic policy, except a reference that is it under review. NT recently got a kicking over their 'rights grab' for photography competitions. But looking at the conditions for their latest comp they seemed to have learned a lesson.

The NT main point appears to be - are you getting commercial gain from a photo that you took while on their property. If it is for non profit use, do what you want.

What would have happened if my Puffin taken on the Farnes Island had won the BIF competition,(I know I am dreaming) the winning prize was £40 of book vouchers would that be for gain.

[malgos]

How on earth are they going to police this?
Malcolm

[hollis_f]

What would have happened if my Puffin taken on the Farnes Island had won the BIF competition,(I know I am dreaming) the winning prize was £40 of book vouchers would that be for gain.

See Post #9.

[Nikon Kid]

When this story first broke in, April, I emailed the head warden at the Farne Islands - David Steel - asking about selling photos taken on the island. He said that they were an 'open-space property' and, as such, there were no restrictions on photography.


But Frank, would he confirm that in writing, I wonder if he would ?

[hollis_f]

But Frank, would he confirm that in writing, I wonder if he would ?

Assuming that email counts as writing - then he already has. Here's the relevant bit
there is no need for a licence and you will not be charged for talking/selling photographs.

[Nikon Kid]

Assuming that email counts as writing - then he already has. Here's the relevant bit


That looks good to me Frank..................