Should Kate Humble be the new RSPB President?

[birdforum]

Please cast your vote in the poll.
What are the member's views on the news that Kate Humble is to be the next President of the RSPB?

[Marmot]

I find her not very knowledgeable when it comes to Birds and it annoyed me that she used to talk over Bill Oddie telling him about Birds and the majority of the time she got it wrong,

If they wanted a famous face to be president why not Bill Oddie or even Chris Packham who seems to know what he talking about.

[Stoggler]

Not voted yet, am interested to know what the president of the RSPB is responsible for before I do, and whether anyone else was in the frame (was there a vote for example?). I presume that it's not the day-to-day running of the organisation, is it more of a figure head-type position?

[Andy Bright]

I presume that it's not the day-to-day running of the organisation, is it more of a figure head-type position?

Yep, that's also my understanding on the role of RSPB president. She won't have a red button in front of her to nuke Titchwell ;)

[POP]

I would have thought someone with a little more gravitas should fill this position.

POP

[Stoggler]

So Julian Pettifer is stepping down as President then?

I found a story on the RSPB site from 2007 that she's becoming a new vice-president (along with Chris Packham, and joining Bill Oddie and David Attenborough), but not president itself. Is this a more recent appointment then?

She's a Vice President of the WWT too (again, along with Chris Packham).

[Brian Stone]

Former presidents aren't particularly birdy folk but do have a certain amount of POP's 'gravitas':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Society_for_the_Protection_of_Birds#Presiden ts

[NoSpringChicken]

Former presidents aren't particularly birdy folk but do have a certain amount of POP's 'gravitas':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Society_for_the_Protection_of_Birds#Presiden ts
I wonder if Winifred Cavendish-Bentinck, Duchess of Portland attended all the committee meetings dressed as she is in the portrait in this link? She even puts POP's evening dress to shame.

Ron

[POP]

She would certainly get my vote.

POP

[POP]

That is of course the Duchess.Quite charming.

POP

[Andrew Whitehouse]

That is of course the Duchess.Quite charming.

POP

I'm a little disappointed that they haven't approached you. Surely someone of your qualities would be the very thing.

[Jos Stratford]

I'm a little disappointed that they haven't approached you. Surely someone of your qualities would be the very thing.

I am wondering why they haven't asked me - diplomatic, polite, sociable, etc, etc. I'd have thought I were the perfect candidate.

[Jos Stratford]

... David Attenborough

This guy would be my vote, he must have brought the World to more people than almost any other person alive. Engaging, knowledgeable, authority yet human. Guess he's a bit busy though.

[username]

I am wondering why they haven't asked me - diplomatic, polite, sociable, etc, etc. I'd have thought I were the perfect candidate.

:-O


ps...i wonder if they've asked 'Lee'...?;)

[naturistbird]

I agree that a person of gravitas is needed.
David Attenborough would be a good choice. He is not going to be around for ever, and would appreciate being asked, even if he feels he is too busy for this role.

[Quercus]

It seems a shame that the best qualification for a job is to be famous...and to have been seen on TV......... Rather than the best person for the job.

I like her and am sure she will do a good job... but is she best qualified?

[Monahawk]

What about Jeremy Clarkson?.........Now there's a thing.

[Watts]

It seems a shame that the best qualification for a job is to be famous...and to have been seen on TV......... Rather than the best person for the job.


But for this public face/figurehead those qualifications might define the best person for the job.

Bill

[Farnboro John]

I should much prefer that Kate Humble becomes the next Dixon housekeeper.

On the other side of the coin, Stephen Fry for RSPB President.

John

[Stoggler]

I don't think anyone has answered my query about whether Julian Pettifer is actually stepping down or not as president. I've not found anything on any website to say Kate Humble has been asked to be the new president, just references to her being a vice-president.

Does anyone have a source for this?

Ta

[ChrisKten]

Honestly? if it's someone well known to most in this forum, it's probably the wrong person for the job.

If the RSPB needs a figurehead, it has to be someone that the average person in the street can identify with. Unfortunately that probably means a C list celebrity from Big Brother, or a "Pop Star".

IMHO of course.

[etudiant]

Agree entirely with Chris.
The RSPB has a good reputation internationally. That asset could be usefully exploited for protecting the world's birds by someone who has international contacts and presence, whereas a purely local figure is not well suited for that purpose.
So does this selection mean the RSPB is turning more inward?

[birdforum]

Does anyone have a source for this?
Ta

Mike Hodgson, director of public affairs RSPB, told BBC wildlife magazine that Kate Humble quote, 'ticked all the right boxes' as the RSPB's new president. She is expected to be officially elected in early october.

[Stoggler]

Mike Hodgson, director of public affairs RSPB, told BBC wildlife magazine that Kate Humble quote, 'ticked all the right boxes' as the RSPB's new president. She is expected to be officially elected in early october.


Fair enough - thanks.

Who's Julian Pettifer? Ok, I do know who he is but he's hardly well known to younger people and he's hardly seen in the (mainstream) media much these days. So perhaps someone younger and more well-known and in the public eye might bring the organisation more media coverage?

Depends on the remit of the President really, and what boxes needed to be ticked. I looked on the RSPB website earlier and couldn't find anything outlining what the President does other than be a member of the Council. And was anyone else in the running?

Without knowing the above, can we really assess whether she's the right person for the job or not?

[Farnboro John]

Fair enough - thanks.

Who's Julian Pettifer? Ok, I do know who he is but he's hardly well known to younger people and he's hardly seen in the (mainstream) media much these days. So perhaps someone younger and more well-known and in the public eye might bring the organisation more media coverage?

Depends on the remit of the President really, and what boxes needed to be ticked. I looked on the RSPB website earlier and couldn't find anything outlining what the President does other than be a member of the Council. And was anyone else in the running?

Without knowing the above, can we really assess whether she's the right person for the job or not?

Maybe a selection of celebs were sent a pre-qualification questionnaire to fill in and Kate really did tick all the right boxes? Alternatively perhaps it was all a result of her last RT cover photo - that ticked the right boxes for me anyway....

John

[JWN Andrewes]

On the other side of the coin, Stephen Fry for RSPB President.

John

Or better still Prime-Minister.

James

[Bird-Nut]

I would have thought someone with a little more gravitas should fill this position.

POP

I've nothing against her personally, but I have to agree with above.

[John Cantelo]

I detect a whiff of snobbery and, I fear, a touch of sexism here. I saw little if "Spring Watch", but what I did see showed Kate Humble in a good light; affable, intelligent, caring and with a genuine interest in wildlife. This impression was confirmed by watching her recent series on frankincense where she showed herself able to get on with a wide range of people with different views and different backgrounds. It is worth remembering that, unlike ourselves who see her through the distorting prism of the media, those involved with the society at the highest level will have had plenty of personal contacts with her and are far better able to judge her worth. That she is not a keen birder counts for little as neither are most RSPB members.

She is, rather more than a 'celebrity' (an unworthy jibe I think). She is an able and well know TV presenter/reporter, who is closely linked in the public mind with promoting interest in wildlife and as such she will be a great asset to the RSPB. OK she's not some dusty academic or some Rt. Hon. (from whose ranks I'd guess former Presidents were recruited), but, like it or not, society has moved on. Besides, I suspect that her passion for wildlife will give her sufficient gravitas when and where it matters

[POP]

Flippity gibbet comes to mind.

POP

[Parker]

What about Bob Geldoff...........Just give us your ....ing money. P.

ps, just kidding i think.

[pie]

No way! Her hysterical outburst toward male tribal traditions, put the women at serious risk.

[deborah4]

I'd rather Virginia Mackenna OBE (for services to wildlife and the arts) or even Joanna Lumley - at least they both have international star rating and have self motivated and proven track records in conservation.

[Farnboro John]

I'd rather Virginia Mackenna OBE (for services to wildlife and the arts) or even Joanna Lumley - at least they both have international star rating and have self motivated and proven track records in conservation.

Virginia Mackenna is a bit past it and I doubt she has the guts for real conservation, which is not all about being nice to animals. As for Joanna Lumley - no way! A cat person at the head of the RSPB - no no no no no no no!

John

[Pete Mella]

I'm a bit dubious as Humble has always struck me as a bit lightweight, and whether paired with Oddie or Packham she's always seemed a bit dwarfed by their knowledge. But then again I don't think the Presidents' role is actually that reliant on vast quantities of knowledge, and is probably more about being a figurehead for publicity reasons. If the latter then she's probably (grudgingly) a good choice - it's probably rare to get a camera-friendly celeb who's a household name and cares about conservation, rather than cute ickle fluffy animals.

[Jos Stratford]

When the poll closes, should the result be a 'no', could we have a second poll to vote for who would be the preferred candidate - shortlist those suggested on this thread?

[JTweedie]

Has Roy Dennis ever had official connections with the RSPB? I've seen him on TV a few times in the past few years and he always comes across as knowledgeable as well as comfortable in front of the camera, and he's active in conservation already.

The president will be representing the RSPB, however I don't agree that means it has to be someone who'll appeal to lots of non-members, after all, how many people out there know who is the current president, and if Kate Humble was to become president, how many people on the street would know this? Most people see her presenting TV programmes, but I bet most people don't know anything about her background or what she does away from TV.

[colonelboris]

My guess would be that we could get a unanimous vote for Lord Klarnak, High Priest and Ruler of the Planet Zanussi and we would still get Ms Humble.
I've no problem with her, m'self, but I feel it might be a quick sounding by the RSPB to gauge opinion before announcing it.
It'll end up going the way that Scouts has: "Oh, hi, famous person who has been campling before. Please take the job."

[Matt Prince]

David Attenborough is the daddy for sure.

However, why not Katie Humble. She was willing to dive with candirou, so she's got the minerals for pretty much anything.

Besides, I reckon she could identify PG-Tips....

[ChrisKten]

Has Roy Dennis ever had official connections with the RSPB? I've seen him on TV a few times in the past few years and he always comes across as knowledgeable as well as comfortable in front of the camera, and he's active in conservation already.

The president will be representing the RSPB, however I don't agree that means it has to be someone who'll appeal to lots of non-members, after all, how many people out there know who is the current president, and if Kate Humble was to become president, how many people on the street would know this? Most people see her presenting TV programmes, but I bet most people don't know anything about her background or what she does away from TV.

You've sort of illustrated the point of my first post, how many people outside of the "Birding" community has even heard of Roy Dennis?

The RSPB, and the president of the RSPB, doesn't have to convince "us", they have to convince the General Public. They want donations, and support for projects, from the General Public; isn't this best served by a familiar face fronting the organisation?

What about overseas projects, would the people in other Countries have any idea who Roy Dennis is? For that matter, would they have any idea of who Kate Humble is?

Let's say that the RSPB had a drive for funds, and the president goes on TV to get the public's attention. Who do you think might have the most chance of being listened to? Roy Dennis, Kate Humble, whoever won Big Brother last time, someone from Eastenders, Bono, Sting, Bob Geldof? Only the last three are known outside of our small island, only the first two stand a good chance of being ignored.

Perhaps I've got this all wrong, perhaps the president of the RSPB actually influences policy, but AFAIK the president is just a public face, a figurehead. The fact that many can't name the last president seems to suggest that their method of selecting a president needs rethinking.

[username]

I suggest Alan Titchmarsh.....or a piece of wood....

ps...still think that Kate Humble is really a lizard in disguise...those piercing eyes of hers freak me out...[i expect her eyelids to flip from side to side instead of up and down]....

[colonelboris]

I suggest Alan Titchmarsh.....or a piece of wood....

ps...still think that Kate Humble is really a lizard in disguise...those piercing eyes of hers freak me out...[i expect her eyelids to flip from side to side instead of up and down]....

"And now back to Kate at the reserve"
[wipes feathers away from the corner of her mouth] "Yes those Little Grebes make a lovely snack, errr, sight..."

[Stoggler]

I imagine being president means having to schmooz (spelling?) up to politicians too, to get cash out of their tightly-shut coffers.

I actually think John Cantelo makes a valid point in message 28. To quote:

It is worth remembering that, unlike ourselves who see her through the distorting prism of the media, those involved with the society at the highest level will have had plenty of personal contacts with her and are far better able to judge her worth. That she is not a keen birder counts for little as neither are most RSPB members.


The RSPB know the type of person that they are after when looking for a president - most of us here don't. As we are not entirely sure what the president does exactly and the attributes needed to serve in that role, why are people dismissing her so readily?

I'm a member of the RSPB, and yet I can't say that I hear the current president's name being mentioned, or read much by him, and certainly haven't seen him on tv or other media at all in recent years. Has he done a good job as president? I haven't the foggiest idea, as I do not know how about the workings of the RSPB at that level. I bet I'm NOT alone in that regard.

So for me (and I suspect for most people here) to make an assessment on Kate Humble's appointment as RSPB president would be premature without knowing what is required and what her skills are outside television presenting. Clearly the people who run the RSPB have a better idea than most of us do, so perhaps we should give them some confidence in their decisions.

Edit - also remember that she has been a Vice-President for the last two years, so the RSPB decision makers will be familiar with her work in that role

[username]

"And now back to Kate at the reserve"
[wipes feathers away from the corner of her mouth] "Yes those Little Grebes make a lovely snack, errr, sight..."

:-O...........you got the picture;)

[Mary]

I detect a whiff of snobbery and, I fear, a touch of sexism here. I saw little if "Spring Watch", but what I did see showed Kate Humble in a good light; affable, intelligent, caring and with a genuine interest in wildlife. This impression was confirmed by watching her recent series on frankincense where she showed herself able to get on with a wide range of people with different views and different backgrounds. It is worth remembering that, unlike ourselves who see her through the distorting prism of the media, those involved with the society at the highest level will have had plenty of personal contacts with her and are far better able to judge her worth. That she is not a keen birder counts for little as neither are most RSPB members.

She is, rather more than a 'celebrity' (an unworthy jibe I think). She is an able and well know TV presenter/reporter, who is closely linked in the public mind with promoting interest in wildlife and as such she will be a great asset to the RSPB. OK she's not some dusty academic or some Rt. Hon. (from whose ranks I'd guess former Presidents were recruited), but, like it or not, society has moved on. Besides, I suspect that her passion for wildlife will give her sufficient gravitas when and where it matters

:t:Agree with you here, John.
A couple of weeks ago, we were at the BOP centre and KH and a small Autumnwatch crew were filming for the programme. She was as natural as can be, explained to all what was happening and apologised for any delays. I think she has been pushed into certain 'roles' in the past by producers and other team members, but is in fact quite capable of communicating her passion for wildlife in a serious, yet interesting way to people in general who haven't yet found an understanding of the natural world.

[John Cantelo]

:t:Agree with you here, John.
A couple of weeks ago, we were at the BOP centre and KH and a small Autumnwatch crew were filming for the programme. She was as natural as can be, explained to all what was happening and apologised for any delays. I think she has been pushed into certain 'roles' in the past by producers and other team members, but is in fact quite capable of communicating her passion for wildlife in a serious, yet interesting way to people in general who haven't yet found an understanding of the natural world.

I can't help feeling that it's significant that, as the only person here who seems to actually had direct contact with Kate Humble, Mary, is supportive of her candidacy. Sadly, too many of us are a little too quick to make facile judgements about people with a public persona without really knowing very much about them at all. Such judgements have to be suspect and, quite probably, say more about ourselves (and our prejudices) than the person concerned

[Steven Astley]

Agree with gentleman John think kate would make an ideal candidate she seems a lovely well known girl into wildlife.
As to what they do, not much probably. Duke of Edinburgh was chancellor at our uni. Thought he might have given us a few lectures or I'd have see him occasionally playing pool in the uni bar, unfortunately never did though.

[Steven Astley]

haha! Just voted don't mind so I could see the 50 odd percent Nos in the poll. Nice to see BF hasn't changed still a dry sour lot! ;)

[purple highflyer]

At worst the efect will be neutral,at best she will at least be someone that a large amount of the general public will recognise in a positive light,that should be welcomed.

PH

[Stoggler]

As to what they do, not much probably. Duke of Edinburgh was chancellor at our uni. Thought he might have given us a few lectures or I'd have see him occasionally playing pool in the uni bar, unfortunately never did though.

I'd pay good money to see him play pool in a uni bar!! :-O:-O

[pie]

I can't help feeling that it's significant that, as the only person here who seems to actually had direct contact with Kate Humble, Mary, is supportive of her candidacy. Sadly, too many of us are a little too quick to make facile judgements about people with a public persona without really knowing very much about them at all. Such judgements have to be suspect and, quite probably, say more about ourselves (and our prejudices) than the person concerned

With respect John, I don't think meeting someone briefly can be used as a benchmark to gauge anyone's suitability for jobs etc.
My comments are based what I saw of Kate Humbles behaviour during the filming of The Hottest Place on Earth.
The crew depended on the Afar people for hospitality, water etc, and Kate Humble wanted to investigate the anthropology side, "how people survive with such little vegetation"
She also involved herself in sensitive issues such as female circumcision. One of the tribe leaders said some of the women say it's easier to be dead than an Afar woman.
She was keen to learn more from the women which caused unrest within the camp when the tribesmen got wind of it.
Tribe leaders posted guards outside the women's huts to monitor the conversations. By now, the women were extremely frightened but some did talk. Kate Humble became upset, tearful and outraged with the men.

I watched with disbelief at her hysteria and I was also frightened about what damage this may have caused and possibly putting the Atar women at risk.

In conclusion, I strongly believe that anyone representing a huge organisation like the rspb should have a greater understanding and respect for all cultures and not allow western values to obscure their judgement.

Thats why I say No Way to Kate Humble

[Matt Prince]

I don't know - I'm all for a bit of passion and hysteria when something is so blatantly wrong. Culture / Ancestral rights etc. is used as an excuse for a lot of bad stuff.

For a figurehead being passionate is very important.. Its one of the many reasons why the multi talented Mr Attenborough is so well loved.

IMHO...

[Mary]

Didn't see the programme but just one thought-many people became passionate, no doubt even hysterical, at the sight of battery hens... finally things are changing. It sometimes takes extreme emotions to get things moving in the right direction. The men of these tribes are only behaving as their forefathers have always done, it never occured to them that it could be morally wrong. Maybe change can now start. What is the alternative- to walk away and pretend you didn't see it?

[ColonelBlimp]

In conclusion, I strongly believe that anyone representing a huge organisation like the rspb should have a greater understanding and respect for all cultures and not allow western values to obscure their judgement.

Thats why I say No Way to Kate Humble

Christ on a bike, whe should have respect for all cultures- including those which practice female circumcision???

Oh sorry, I've just realised that my objection to forcible clitoridectomies is just down to my shoddy "Western values"...

[John Cantelo]

Christ on a bike, whe should have respect for all cultures- including those which practice female circumcision???

Oh sorry, I've just realised that my objection to forcible clitoridectomies is just down to my shoddy "Western values"...

Well said, Colonel. You're clearly not so blimpish as your monicker suggests.

I didn't see the programme concerned so I'm not in a position to judge although I can't say I'm overly surprised that the 'H' word has so quickly been flung into the argument surrounding the appointment of a female President of the RSPB. Certainly I saw no sign of 'hysteria' when she talked with Saudi men about their attitudes towards women on her recent programmes to which I referred earlier.

I would still give more weight to the opinions of those who have met Ms Humble than those whose view was gleaned from an edited and carefully selected footage from a TV programme. Besides, in my view that Ms Humble got so upset and 'hysterical' about the barbaric custom of female circumcision is no bar to her being RSPB President - quite the contrary. Someone who was so PC to 'respect' a culture which not merely allowed, but encouraged this vileness, might not be the person to take the fight to those Maltese hunters whose 'cultural tradition' is to blast every damn bird that flies through 'their' airspace,

[Roger P]

Someone who was so PC to 'respect' a culture which not merely allowed, but encouraged this vileness, might not be the person to take the fight to those Maltese hunters whose 'cultural tradition' is to blast every damn bird that flies through 'their' airspace,

Think that's about right in every respect!

As for all these comments about how little she knows about wildlife from people who have never met her - how do you know what she knows? Do you believe everything you see on TV? Kate's role, and she does it well, is to be the voice, and ask the questions on behalf of, the 'man in the street'. It is to involve people who might not be too bothered about our wildlife but tune in to the programmes on the offchance that there might be something to see. Her role is to make it appear ok not to know but to want to know.

I think her attributes are exactly what is required, like SpringWatch the RSPB has plenty of experts, some but by no means all, can communicate their expertise. Kate is a translator, that's what we need.

[username]

Do we know if Kate H really wants to be president by the way....?

ps....i don't care who's the president...long as they do a good job...['whatever' that entails]....i'm sure the RSPB will make a decent choice in the end.....and good luck to whoever that might be....[be it a male....female....reptile.....or a plank of wood]...

[pie]

I don't know - I'm all for a bit of passion and hysteria when something is so blatantly wrong. Culture / Ancestral rights etc. is used as an excuse for a lot of bad stuff.
For a figurehead being passionate is very important.. Its one of the many reasons why the multi talented Mr Attenborough is so well loved.
IMHO...
I agree.

Didn't see the programme but just one thought-many people became passionate, no doubt even hysterical, at the sight of battery hens... finally things are changing. It sometimes takes extreme emotions to get things moving in the right direction. The men of these tribes are only behaving as their forefathers have always done, it never occured to them that it could be morally wrong. Maybe change can now start. What is the alternative- to walk away and pretend you didn't see it?

Yes, you walk away from the tribes who are only behaving as their forefathers, be grateful for their hospitality by establishing trust and hopefully paving the way for people you report back too who possess the right skills to educate the tribe.


Christ on a bike, whe should have respect for all cultures- including those which practice female circumcision???

Because that is their culture.
How can anyone bring about change if they have no respect for tradition.
If an outsider respects this and embraces the positive aspects of tribal tradition, they are better placed to educate the tribe about practices which are cruel and unessessary.


Well said, Colonel.
I would still give more weight to the opinions of those who have met Ms Humble than those whose view was gleaned from an edited and carefully selected footage from a TV programme.
That's why I was so concerned for the safety of the women. What happened after she left? Were the women punished for speaking out? Will the tribesmen ever trust westerners/scientists enough to let them return?
I don't know because the carefully selected footage showed frightened women, suspicious angry men & a tearful Kate Humble.

Besides, in my view that Ms Humble got so upset and 'hysterical' about the barbaric custom of female circumcision is no bar to her being RSPB President - quite the contrary. Someone who was so PC to 'respect' a culture which not merely allowed, but encouraged this vileness, might not be the person to take the fight to those Maltese hunters whose 'cultural tradition' is to blast every damn bird that flies through 'their' airspace,

On the contrary, it needs a level headed person to negotiate with people who's only form of communication is looking down the barrel of a gun.
Some people work tirelessly to bring about change by painstakingly walking on eggshells to achieve their goal. Some have lost their lives in Malta. They cannot afford the luxury of crying their eyes out at every horror story. These people are pro active not reactive, and for me to lend my support to someone who like myself is driven to tears by cruelty would be undermining the integrity strength and skills these people posses selflessly.

Think that's about right in every respect!

As for all these comments about how little she knows about wildlife from people who have never met her - how do you know what she knows? Do you believe everything you see on TV? Kate's role, and she does it well,
I take it you've met her then.
I think her attributes are exactly what is required, like SpringWatch the RSPB has plenty of experts, some but by no means all, can communicate their expertise. Kate is a translator, that's what we need.

We need someone who can translate not pass judgement.

[Matt Prince]

I guess a lot depends on whether they want a political figurehead or a celebrity one..
If they are after a political figure, not afraid to argue their corner against all comers... I think you might be in with a shout Pie!

[pie]

I guess a lot depends on whether they want a political figurehead or a celebrity one..
If they are after a political figure, not afraid to argue their corner against all comers... I think you might be in with a shout Pie!

Yes, I did take quite a battering!! |:S|
Thanks Matt :t:

[Roger P]

I take it you've met her then.


No, but that's my point, I'm not about to say she knows nothing - or anything - as other posters have. What is clear is that she has a role to play in her TV work - and it is not to be a David Attenborough figure.

I think I remember Julian Pettifer got the job after being a news journalist who had a kind of conversion to conservation and made a couple of programmes too.

[d.steeley]

I read in the Sunday Express that Kate has now been appointed the new president.

Dave

[Thing]

I thought that this was one of those joke thread poll thingies, but it is for real. Must everything be dumbed down and celebrity driven these days?

Cancel my subscription forthwith etc etc

[Stoggler]

I thought that this was one of those joke thread poll thingies, but it is for real. Must everything be dumbed down and celebrity driven these days?

Cancel my subscription forthwith etc etc

Why is Kate Humble as RSPB president dumbing down? A TV presenter is hardly the same as celebrity driven, and she's no different to Magnus Magnusson or David Dimbleby or Julian Pettifer in terms of career, and yet being media types didn't stop them from becoming President.

[Stoggler]

I'm finding it interesting that so many people are so willing to pass judgement on this appointment based on:

1 - no or little knowledge of what the roles and responisibilities of the president of the RSPB are, and

2 - despite the above, writing someone off without having never met the person and having no or little information on her record as an RSPB Vice-President, which she has been doing the last few years.

The decision-makers at the RSPB have first-hand knowledge of Kate Humble's work as a VP within the organisation, and they know the type of person they need for the role. The general public on the other hand mostly just see her through her appearances on TV programmes. To think that we are in position to pass judgment on the appointment based on such limited knowledge is unfair on her AND on the RSPB.

[Melanie]

Nigel Collar would be a good president if he would working for the RSPB instead of BLI.

[John Cantelo]

I'm finding it interesting that so many people are so willing to pass judgement on this appointment based on:

1 - no or little knowledge of what the roles and responisibilities of the president of the RSPB are, and

2 - despite the above, writing someone off without having never met the person and having no or little information on her record as an RSPB Vice-President, which she has been doing the last few years.

The decision-makers at the RSPB have first-hand knowledge of Kate Humble's work as a VP within the organisation, and they know the type of person they need for the role. The general public on the other hand mostly just see her through her appearances on TV programmes. To think that we are in position to pass judgment on the appointment based on such limited knowledge is unfair on her AND on the RSPB.

Amen to everything you say both in this post and your previous one,

[ColinD]

I think Kate Humble will make an excellent president of the RSPB. She's a good communicator and popular TV personality. She may not be as knowledgable about birds as some, but she's still better than most.

Remember this, if the RSPB has a 1.5 million members or something, I bet 1.4 million are not even close to being real birders. They're people who like watching birds on feeders from their kitchen window now and again. Maybe they're families who joined for the kids. They might occasionally take a pair of binoculars with them when they go for a walk, but they rarely go birding. Most of them can't tell a Dunnock from a Robin. Kate's more knowledgable than that lot for a start.

Just take a walk around any large nature reserve (RSPB or otherwise). I bet less than 10% of the people you see are birders. The vast majority are day trippers, walkers, families, or Christmas shoppers looking for birdy Christmas cards. Two weeks ago at Leighton Moss, a youngster asked his Dad to explain why I was carrying binoculars! I'm not even sure his Dad knew the answer!

The RSPB love these types, because they cause no trouble, and like sheep they stick to footpaths and they hand over loads of money in the shops and cafes. Damn birders on the otherhand get there too early, stay too late, wander off into the undergrowth, are already members so get in free, invite all their nasty mates if they find a rarity and spend next to nothing in the shop. They're the last people the RSPB want at reserves. Witness the empty hides even though the car park is packed. And to be honest that's fine with me. Let all those non birders cluster round the shop at Leighton Moss, financing the place, whilst I have some peace and quiet on some remote part of the reserve where the real action is.

The RSPB want a president who attracts more non birders. They're the people who bring in the dosh. Once they've got the money, the people with the real power then decide what to spend it on, buying some marshland, improving a reserve or something.

Kate's a figure head to attract new members and bring in money, and she'll be just perfect at that.

[POP]

I think Kate Humble will make an excellent president of the RSPB. She's a good communicator and popular TV personality. She may not be as knowledgable about birds as some, but she's still better than most.

Remember this, if the RSPB has a 1.5 million members or something, I bet 1.4 million are not even close to being real birders. They're people who like watching birds on feeders from their kitchen window now and again. Maybe they're families who joined for the kids. They might occasionally take a pair of binoculars with them when they go for a walk, but they rarely go birding. Most of them can't tell a Dunnock from a Robin. Kate's more knowledgable than that lot for a start.

Just take a walk around any large nature reserve (RSPB or otherwise). I bet less than 10% of the people you see are birders. The vast majority are day trippers, walkers, families, or Christmas shoppers looking for birdy Christmas cards. Two weeks ago at Leighton Moss, a youngster asked his Dad to explain why I was carrying binoculars! I'm not even sure his Dad knew the answer!

The RSPB love these types, because they cause no trouble, and like sheep they stick to footpaths and they hand over loads of money in the shops and cafes. Damn birders on the otherhand get there too early, stay too late, wander off into the undergrowth, are already members so get in free, invite all their nasty mates if they find a rarity and spend next to nothing in the shop. They're the last people the RSPB want at reserves. Witness the empty hides even though the car park is packed. And to be honest that's fine with me. Let all those non birders cluster round the shop at Leighton Moss, financing the place, whilst I have some peace and quiet on some remote part of the reserve where the real action is.

The RSPB want a president who attracts more non birders. They're the people who bring in the dosh. Once they've got the money, the people with the real power then decide what to spend it on, buying some marshland, improving a reserve or something.

Kate's a figure head to attract new members and bring in money, and she'll be just perfect at that.

You obviously have not been to Titchwell then.

POP

[ColinD]

You obviously have not been to Titchwell then.

POP

Sorry, I don't know which part of my comments you're responding to.

[POP]

This was the part.
Just take a walk around any large nature reserve (RSPB or otherwise). I bet less than 10% of the people you see are birders. The vast majority are day trippers, walkers, families, or Christmas shoppers looking for birdy Christmas cards. Two weeks ago at Leighton Moss, a youngster asked his Dad to explain why I was carrying binoculars! I'm not even sure his Dad knew the answer!

POP

[purple highflyer]

I think Kate Humble will make an excellent president of the RSPB. She's a good communicator and popular TV personality. She may not be as knowledgable about birds as some, but she's still better than most.

Remember this, if the RSPB has a 1.5 million members or something, I bet 1.4 million are not even close to being real birders. They're people who like watching birds on feeders from their kitchen window now and again. Maybe they're families who joined for the kids. They might occasionally take a pair of binoculars with them when they go for a walk, but they rarely go birding. Most of them can't tell a Dunnock from a Robin. Kate's more knowledgable than that lot for a start.

Just take a walk around any large nature reserve (RSPB or otherwise). I bet less than 10% of the people you see are birders. The vast majority are day trippers, walkers, families, or Christmas shoppers looking for birdy Christmas cards. Two weeks ago at Leighton Moss, a youngster asked his Dad to explain why I was carrying binoculars! I'm not even sure his Dad knew the answer!

The RSPB love these types, because they cause no trouble, and like sheep they stick to footpaths and they hand over loads of money in the shops and cafes. Damn birders on the otherhand get there too early, stay too late, wander off into the undergrowth, are already members so get in free, invite all their nasty mates if they find a rarity and spend next to nothing in the shop. They're the last people the RSPB want at reserves. Witness the empty hides even though the car park is packed. And to be honest that's fine with me. Let all those non birders cluster round the shop at Leighton Moss, financing the place, whilst I have some peace and quiet on some remote part of the reserve where the real action is.

The RSPB want a president who attracts more non birders. They're the people who bring in the dosh. Once they've got the money, the people with the real power then decide what to spend it on, buying some marshland, improving a reserve or something.

Kate's a figure head to attract new members and bring in money, and she'll be just perfect at that.

Amen to all that Colin!

Titchwell's a special case cos it's in Norfolk and everyone knows you have to go to Norfolk to see birds....;)

[ColinD]

This was the part.
Just take a walk around any large nature reserve (RSPB or otherwise). I bet less than 10% of the people you see are birders. The vast majority are day trippers, walkers, families, or Christmas shoppers looking for birdy Christmas cards. Two weeks ago at Leighton Moss, a youngster asked his Dad to explain why I was carrying binoculars! I'm not even sure his Dad knew the answer!

POP

Ok well I assume by that you mean that there are a lot more birders at Titchwell than I suggest. I'll have to bow to your greater knowledge of the place, because though I have been quite a few times, it's probably 5 years since I was last there.

From what I can remember though, there are quite a lot of people going for a walk without binoculars at Titchwell. Also, although you may see a lot of people with binoculars at the place, how many more never really get past the shop who you don't see? And finally of course, it depends how you define a birder. There are plenty of people with binoculars who wouldn't fit into the birder category as defined by Bill Oddies Little Black Bird book.

But really it's irrelevant whether it's 10%, 20% or 30%, I still maintain that the vast majority of RSPB members are not birders, and these are the people who the RSPB target, and the people who they want Kate Humble to appeal to.

[joannec]

But really it's irrelevant whether it's 10%, 20% or 30%, I still maintain that the vast majority of RSPB members are not birders, and these are the people who the RSPB target, and the people who they want Kate Humble to appeal to.

I think this and your earlier post Colin are good posts. You've put it well.:t:

I don't though think that KH is all that unknowledgable about birds as some others have suggested. She may not be an ace birder but I think in the Springwatch programmes she is unfortunately directed to ask the dumb questions so that Bill can give a good informed answer.......unfortunate for her that she then appears not to know much but useful in that Bills responses are informative and usually pretty spot on.

[Farnboro John]

Titchwell is a slightly special case as the path is a public footpath and traversed by the non-birding public heading for the beach. In the hides (a fairer sample) the proportion of people without binoculars is much lower.

A surprising proportion of grockles will stop and ask what you are looking at (not many are daft enough to ask what you are doing) and will be interested in the answer even if it means very little to them. You should encourage them to look through your scope, point out the nearest birds etc. GET them interested. Five minutes out of your day's self-indulgence isn't much.

John

[pie]

A surprising proportion of grockles will stop and ask what you are looking at

John

"Grockles" what a great term, I love the history behind it John.
You live n learn :t:

[luke]

I mst admit that i was a bit wary of Kate Humble becoming present at first but she visited Radipole Lake (which is where i work) yesturday and she is so good with people generally. As a figure head i think she appeals to a wide range of people. She was quite happy to talk to everyone who approached her and pretty much everyone congratuated her on her new role. So it seems she has been widely accepted by the RSPB membership, or at least the people i've spoken to since the weekend.

[John Cantelo]

Well, whatever the whingers might think, I'm confident that Kate Humble will do a great job as RSPB President - as Luke's post suggests. Again interesting to note that someone who's actually met her and seen her 'in action' as it were has no qualms about the appointment.

Might I humbly (!) suggest that this thread is now redundant as it's happened and she's in post. Rather than carping about the appointment why not back the RSPB's judgement and support them. When all's done and dusted the RSPB IS the biggest such organisation on the planet so I've a suspicion that they might just know what they're about when it comes to appointing Presidents (and much else)!

[scodger]

Just whats wanted representing youngsters and females, both sadly missing from birding, she will be a very popular figurehead. In the absence of the great Sir D Attenborough go for it Kate.

[Jos Stratford]

When all's done and dusted the RSPB IS the biggest such organisation on the planet so I've a suspicion that they might just know what they're about when it comes to appointing Presidents (and much else)!

No complaints from me about the appointment - David Attenborough would be excellent, but can't really see anything wrong with this Kate Humble either.

PS never seen her on T.V., nor in the flesh.

[mcapper]

This from the RSPB website:

Kate Humble is elected

Television presenter Kate Humble has been appointed as our new President.

We hope that Kate’s infectious enthusiasm for wildlife and wild places will inspire millions of people to get closer to nature.

RSPB members at Saturday’s AGM in London’s Queen Elizabeth II conference centre, voted for Kate to become their new President (3rd October). She is only the second female President since we were founded in 1889 - the first, the Duchess of Portland, served for more than 60 years.

Familiar face
Kate is best known for presenting programmes such as Springwatch, Autumnwatch, Animal Park and The Frankincense Trail, and for her recent appearance on Who Do You Think You Are?

Her interest in wildlife stems from a childhood in the country and travels abroad in her late teens.

Kate says: 'I’m not an academic or a specialist, but I do love learning new things and asking questions – I’m never afraid to ask. If I can communicate some of the amazing things I learn about wildlife on an almost daily basis and spark the same interest in others, that would be great.

'I’m extremely proud to be asked to be President of such a highly respected and popular organisation. With over one million members behind it, the work of the RSPB is rightly renowned for making a huge difference for birds, other wildlife and the environment.'

Big hit
Kate’s TV appearances have made her a hit with everyone from serious naturalists to everyday wildlife enthusiasts, a spread that reflects our membership.

In her new role, Kate aims to increase support for our work. In particular, she aims to get more people enjoying wildlife first hand, whether feeding birds in their back garden, walking in the countryside or visiting nature reserves. She will also be promoting our campaigns to stop the illegal killing of birds of prey, to save albatrosses from extinction and to protect tropical rainforests.

Graham Wynne, RSPB Chief Executive says: 'Kate has a long held passion for nature and wildlife, plus a knack for spreading her enthusiasm to others. She is a great choice for RSPB President.
'We are delighted that Kate has taken on this role. I know she’ll make a huge contribution to our conservation efforts over the next five years.'

Kate takes over from Julian Pettifer, who has given outstanding service, having served two terms as RSPB President. Julian is a distinguished journalist and broadcaster who has written and presented many wildlife, conservation and social history programmes

For what it is worth, I think it is a good choice. She made a very good impression when she opended the new Saltholme reserve and I'd agree with much of the positive comment in this thread

M

[gradders52]

She can be whatever she wants for me...

except RSPB President...

oh go on then.

then again maybe not.

Just because I can't make my mind up doesn't mean I can't make a decision. And just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean there isn't someone after me... who's that ...

more info needed!

[gradders52]

Whoops a bit late then.

[PhilW]

Personally I think Kate's an excellent choice - especially wearing her wet suit!

[SiG]

Good grief.

[chowchilla]

She gets my vote. David Attenborough may be a legend in his own pants but he is very, very old. He won't be around for ever.

She gets the 'yoof' vote too methinks. Her enthusiasm is infectious and she is (was?, haven't seen it for years) the perfect foil for Bill Oddie in Springwatch. How I miss that programme.

[Gaz Shilton]

Was she elected or just appointed. I perhaps think it was 'them upstairs in suits' who thought she was best for the job. I doubt there was a vote!!!
Nothing against her. She is just a familiar face on tv.

[luke]

i am pretty sure she was elected at the last RSPB AGM in london.

[deboo]

should Kate Humble be the next RSPB president?

is this Kate Humble an imposter or something then? conspirosy comspirpo. if i could spell it i would assume that's waht you mean. anyway i couldn't give a feck.

cast s pointless vote :-)

[Euan Buchan]

I find her not very knowledgeable when it comes to Birds and it annoyed me that she used to talk over Bill Oddie telling him about Birds and the majority of the time she got it wrong,

If they wanted a famous face to be president why not Bill Oddie or even Chris Packham who seems to know what he talking about.

I think Bill is president of the RSPB. I thaught Kate was a president of the RSPB. I'd pick Simon King.

[Guizotia]

i am pretty sure she was elected at the last RSPB AGM in london.

She was the only person standing.