Please take a look at this.....

[Petition1]

Hi everybody,
Let me introduce myself, I am a pest controller in England, it has been drawn to my attention that because of the sale of rodenticides to the untrained public via places like BnQ, and various other outlets, that secondary poisoning as well as poisoning of non target animals is on the increase. I can’t tell you how many times I have seen rodenticides placed on bird tables in order to kill the visiting rats and squirrels. Misuse of these poisons is on the increase, I have also heard quite a large amount of reports of rodenticide that is not approved for external use being liberally spread around gardens, where quite clearly the un trained public have not read the label, and simply don’t give a monkeys as long as it kills the rat problem, without a thought for other wildlife.
Please if I can ask you to please sign this petition in order that we may be able to make a difference and stop the misuse of rodenticides and stem the illegal killing of non target animals.
Thanks
CT

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/rodentidesmisuse/

[joannec]

I can’t tell you how many times I have seen rodenticides placed on bird tables in order to kill the visiting rats and squirrels.


I find it very hard to believe that anyone who feeds birds on a bird table is so stupid to do this.

[Petition1]

Joannec, believe me it’s true, I am a moderator of a national pest control forum and you would be surprised what I hear and see with my own eyes, as a pest control technician I am restricted on what I can use and where I can use it, rightly so, I have to keep ahead of ever changing regulations in order to keep my professional status and the ability to be able to purchase professional grade products, put a foot wrong and I am black listed....

Joe public can go to the local farm store not show any papers to confirm training in said products and away they go spreading rodenticide anywhere they may see a rodent, hence bird tables and garden borders,

We plan to email vetenary surgeons as we know they are sympathetic to are appeal
hopefully you will be too.
Thanks for your comments
CT

[Petition1]

Thanks to your administrators and moderators of this forum for not deleting this thread, I apologies for posting without reading your rules :t:

[ChrisKten]

I find it very hard to believe that anyone who feeds birds on a bird table is so stupid to do this.

I agree, I also think that anyone stupid enough to do such a thing would find other ways to harm wildlife, or themselves, even if they couldn't buy poison. In fact, for a start, they'd probably put Mouse Traps on the bird table.

As to the Petition, I'm not sure that I agree with the use of poison, licensed or not. There are other methods to deal with "vermin", aren't there?

If the Petition was successful, it would merely give Pest Controllers a lot more work (and more payment for that work).

EDIT: To the Staff: Has this thread really got anything to do with Conservation?

[Petition1]

That a very blinkered view you have their Chris, surely if you knew anything regarding birds or birds of prey in particular then you would surely know a little about secondary poisoning of raptors?
If you don’t then I suggest you do some reading, maybe try here....
http://www.pesticides.gov.uk/uploadedfiles/Web_Assets/PSD/WIIS_2001.pdf
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2193/0022-541X(2006)70%5B588:DFDOAR%5D2.0.CO%3B2
http://static.zsl.org/files/red-kites-final-279.pdf
http://www.thinkwildlife.org.uk/rodenticide-wildlife.php
Why dismiss it and try to discourage something that is positive ?

Has this got anything to do with conservation ??? Yes I think so Doh!

[ChrisKten]

That a very blinkered view you have their Chris, surely if you knew anything regarding birds or birds of prey in particular then you would surely know a little about secondary poisoning of raptors?
If you don’t then I suggest you do some reading, maybe try here....
http://www.pesticides.gov.uk/uploadedfiles/Web_Assets/PSD/WIIS_2001.pdf
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2193/0022-541X(2006)70%5B588:DFDOAR%5D2.0.CO%3B2
http://static.zsl.org/files/red-kites-final-279.pdf
http://www.thinkwildlife.org.uk/rodenticide-wildlife.php
Why dismiss it and try to discourage something that is positive ?

Has this got anything to do with conservation ??? Yes I think so Doh!

I know nothing about you, I can only form a judgement based on your post history. All I know is you appear to have joined this forum for the sole purpose of helping the Pest Control Industry. Of course, I could be completely wrong about your motives, but, like I said, I can only judge on the posts that you've made.

As for secondary poisoning of Raptors, are you saying that you believe this petition will stop Gamekeepers, from obtaining poison?

If I've got this all wrong, and you are in fact a Wildlife loving Conversationalist, then I would obviously apologise. But so far I see no evidence of this.

[Petition1]

I still find your posts slightly negative, I am not here to argue, just heighten the plight of wildlife.
The sale of rodenticides to the untrained is on the increase, I have not mentioned gamekeepers, I am talking the rise in the sale of poisons to the un trained public, There are many regulations one of the most important ones is that all baits have to be removed after a 6wk treatment, no permanent baiting is no longer allowed, and rodent bodies have to be searched for and removed on a regular basis, do you believe that these statutory regulations will be adhered too?

Here is a quarterly rodenticide report from the HSE and Defra take a look .......
http://www.pesticides.gov.uk/uploadedfiles/Web_Assets/PSD/2009_Q1_to%20_Q2_2009_10_09.xls

[Petition1]

I agree, I also think that anyone stupid enough to do such a thing would find other ways to harm wildlife, or themselves, even if they couldn't buy poison. In fact, for a start, they'd probably put Mouse Traps on the bird table.
As to the Petition, I'm not sure that I agree with the use of poison, licensed or not. There are other methods to deal with "vermin", aren't there?

If the Petition was successful, it would merely give Pest Controllers a lot more work (and more payment for that work).

EDIT: To the Staff: Has this thread really got anything to do with Conservation?

Not a bird table Chris but near enough..... http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/4726205.Cat_was_died_in_rat_trap_laid_by_Weymouth_ man/?ref=mr

[Mícheál]

Hi everybody,
because of the sale of rodenticides to the untrained public via places like BnQ, and various other outlets, that secondary poisoning as well as poisoning of non target animals is on the increase


Hi CT,

I can see how people might suspect that your motives are less than pure, although I also come across the effects of indiscriminate/malicious use of poisons in the course of my work..

You could help your case by explaining how restricting the sale of rodenticides to professional pest controllers can affect the rate of secondary poisoning. I cannot see how this is the case. A poisoned rat or mouse is still a threat to a Barn Owl whether it has been poisoned by a professional or an amateur.

Furthermore, in my experience some of the 'professional' pest control companies use newer generation rodenticides that have longer residual duration, and greater potential for secondary poisonings.

Would have your proposal have any significant effect, except that the massive expense would reduce overall rodenticide use somewhat, and enrich your employer?

Personally, I would favour putting a punitive levy on all rodenticides and spend the proceeds on education, owl habitat restoration and subsidise the cost of traps. Same principle as taxing cigarettes - help to pay for the social cost of a nasty habit.

Mícheál

[Jos Stratford]

Hi everybody,
Let me introduce myself, I am a pest controller in England....

Indeed, why not introduce yourself? all we see is an anonymous poster new to the forum that seeks to ban something which incidently would aid his business, if you are indeed a pest controller.

Sorry, but whilst the cause is perhaps worthy, and I am not even sure of that, I would not put my name to it without knowing a little about the campaign, especially the identity and motives of the chair of the campaign.

In absence of detail of poster, and while the possibility it is simply an effort to promote a personal business, I fail to see reason for this thread not being removed.

[Mícheál]

Indeed, why not introduce yourself? all we see is an anonymous poster new to the forum that seeks to ban something which incidently would aid his business, if you are indeed a pest controller.

Sorry, but whilst the cause is perhaps worthy, and I am not even sure of that, I would not put my name to it without knowing a little about the campaign, especially the identity and motives of the chair of the campaign.

In absence of detail of poster, and while the possibility it is simply an effort to promote a personal business, I fail to see reason for this thread not being removed.

Gosh hasn't this thread gone quiet since the opening poster's motives were questioned?

I wonder why...............

Mícheál

[christineredgate]

No fooling BF members.

[Mícheál]

.........and irony of ironies, what ad pops up on the bottom of this page (in ireland anyway):

Rentokil Pest Control
Expert advice & treatment for homes and businesses across Ireland.
www.rentokil.etcetcetc

You couldn't make it up.

Mícheál

[FarmerJon]

I agree, I also think that anyone stupid enough to do such a thing would find other ways to harm wildlife, or themselves, even if they couldn't buy poison. In fact, for a start, they'd probably put Mouse Traps on the bird table.

As to the Petition, I'm not sure that I agree with the use of poison, licensed or not. There are other methods to deal with "vermin", aren't there?

If the Petition was successful, it would merely give Pest Controllers a lot more work (and more payment for that work).

EDIT: To the Staff: Has this thread really got anything to do with Conservation?

If anyone can find me a way of controlling rats other than using poison then I would be happy to hear about it.

I have buildings that I have had rats actually eat through concrete mixed wth broken glass to get into under the eaves and spend a fortune on rat poison every year trying to eliminate them.

I think your views about poisonong rats mnight change if you bought a loaf of bread and found a rat dropping in it because poison was banned and the ways to eliminate them was reduced

Jon

[alexf]

Well if you've had to spend a fortune on rat poison every year trying to eliminate them then it doesn't work very well does it?