Holkham - Joe Jordan Hide - Who is he?

[Andrew]

On a recent visit to Holkham we visited the Joe Jordan hide for Spoonbills. I wondered about the Joe Jordan that the hide was named after. All I can think of is the tothless Man Utd footballer but surely it can not be him.

[Tim Allwood]

of course it's that Joe Jordan Andrew (drew a blank on Tawnies btw - sorry - time of year)

he even went to Italy - if i remember rightly A.C. Milan?

Not your typical Italian style forward!

[Vectis Birder]

Joe Jordan played for my club, Southampton, between August 1984 and February 1987. I had a look at Google, but couldn't find any mention of him being a birder. Besides, he was a Scot, not a Norfolk native, but you never know...

[Andrew]

Was he a birder? If not why was the hide named in his honour without him being dead?

[Tim Allwood]

sorry folks......

not toothless Joe, who is very much alive and probably plays a good game still - only about 50.....

[Andrew]

Hope someone has the answer.

[birdman]

Bit of a long-shot perhaps, but...??? (pdf file)

http://www.highleyshrop.co.uk/Downloads/Chelmarsh%20Report%202002.pdf

[bristolbirder]

Joe Jordan played for my club, Southampton, between August 1984 and February 1987. I had a look at Google, but couldn't find any mention of him being a birder. Besides, he was a Scot, not a Norfolk native, but you never know...

Also played and managed my team, Bristol City, as well! Never knew him to be a birder though.
:h?:

[Andrew]

Bit of a long-shot perhaps, but...??? (pdf file)

http://www.highleyshrop.co.uk/Downloads/Chelmarsh%20Report%202002.pdf
Possible but I reckon it is someone who did a lot for birding and has passed on to the next world.

[Dan drough]

Joe Jordan played for Leeds as I remember - some big donkey who could head the ball a bit when it was hoofed up field.
WHo knocked his teeth out - thats much more interesting.

[POP]

You got it right there Dan,a peice of mobile concrete.

John

[Michael Frankis]

Maybe he just responded to an appeal and paid for the hide - doesn't have to be a birder, just rich (which lots of footballers are), and generous with it.

There's a scheme going (mainly in the US) where wealthy people can have newly discovered birds (/ insects / plants / whatever) named after them, if they pay a goodly sum towards research into the species and habitat protection for the habitat the species is discovered in.

Similar things have happened for a long time - the pine Pinus devoniana wasn't found in Devon, it got the name because the Duke of Devonshire funded the botanist who discovered it in Mexico in the 1830s.

Michael

[Ruby]

On a recent visit to Holkham we visited the Joe Jordan hide for Spoonbills. I wondered about the Joe Jordan that the hide was named after. All I can think of is the tothless Man Utd footballer but surely it can not be him.

Must be right...I was at the (newly renamed) 'Chopper' Harris hide down at Oare the other day....

Anyway..... Did you see any Spoonbills??

[POP]

Ruby I hope he did not take your legs from under you while you were looking through your scope.

John

[Andrew]

Must be right...I was at the (newly renamed) 'Chopper' Harris hide down at Oare the other day....

Anyway..... Did you see any Spoonbills??
Certainly did, three of them. A juve and two adults according to the reports but they all looked the same snuggled in under the rain! I was hoping for Wood Sandpipers but it is a large area isn't it?

[Ruby]

Certainly did, three of them. A juve and two adults according to the reports but they all looked the same snuggled in under the rain! I was hoping for Wood Sandpipers but it is a large area isn't it?

Nice one Andrew..... was this very recently (ie might they still be there!!??)

I'm not that familiar with Holkham - only been there once and didn't visit any of the hides on that occasion...


Rgds... Ruby

[deboo]

I'm not that familiar with Holkham - only been there once and didn't visit any of the hides on that occasion...


Rgds... Ruby

Next time, visit the Archie Gemmill hide...overlooking Alan Rough scrape.
They're by the Gordon McQueen ride..opposite Willie Johnston boardwalk.
Holkham was the training camp of the ill fated 1978 World Cup Scotland team....
At the top of the monument in Holkham Park is a statue of Ally Macleod..
soon to be replaced by a one of that great Englishman...
....Sven Goran Ericksson.....our saviour.

Dave.

[SimonC]

Next time, visit the Archie Gemmill hide...overlooking Alan Rough scrape.
They're by the Gordon McQueen ride..opposite Willie Johnston boardwalk.
Holkham was the training camp of the ill fated 1978 World Cup Scotland team....
At the top of the monument in Holkham Park is a statue of Ally Macleod..
soon to be replaced by a one of that great Englishman...
....Sven Goran Ericksson.....our saviour.

Dave.

Think you should've signed that one off as "Pinch of Salt Dave"
OR
"Slipping back to old ways Dave"

:D

[deboo]

Think you should've signed that one off as "Pinch of Salt Dave"
OR
"Slipping back to old ways Dave"

:D

Sorry folks...I dunno who that Joe Jordan is either... :h?:

Comedy? Dave.

[Andrew]

Nice one Andrew..... was this very recently (ie might they still be there!!??)

I'm not that familiar with Holkham - only been there once and didn't visit any of the hides on that occasion...


Rgds... Ruby
That was on the 27th June and I think they may have scarpered as there have been no reports from Holkham in the last week.

[Tim Allwood]

thanks for reminding me of Archie Gemmill again Dave

they should build a hide in honour of his goal against Holland in 1978 - i get all emotinal just thinking about it - and i'm English, well Derbyshire anyway......

[SimonC]

Think you should've signed that one off as "Pinch of Salt Dave"
OR
"Slipping back to old ways Dave"

:D

And that's a good thing BTW!!!

[Geoff Pain]

Help may be at hand,I've found an email address for Holkham Estate and sent them a letter,will post the reply when I get it.

[Andrew]

Fantastic, I look forward to seeing what they say about it! :t:

[Ruby]

I reckon that the RSPB have just taken a football fanatic onto their marketing department, because I also noticed...

The Dennis Wise hide at Titchwell
The Tony Adams hide at Dungeness
The Jurgen Klinsmann hide at Fairy Glen
and the Norman Hunter hide at Fowlmere

...not to mention the new flagship hide, the extremely luxurious and well appointed Ray Parlour hide, which is on the Exe....

[bristolbirder]

Oh very witty, Ruby. Very good indeed! That brought a smile to my face!


:clap: :bounce:

[Edward]

"Joe" and "Jordan" aren't exactly rare names so it's not that unlikely that there is/was a birder named Joe Jordan out there. It's when you see an Ashley Grimes Hide or a Remi Moses Hide that you start to sniff a conspiracy.

Always liked Joe Jordan, part of that fine tradition of stealing Leeds' best players and bringing them to us.

E

[HokkaidoStu]

Many many years ago when I was a kid (I guess it must have been in the late 70's) I went to a RSPB meeting in Blackpool (at the Imperial Hotel I think-classy eh?) and was amazed to see former Bolton striker Alan Gowling. He might even have been taking on the door fees or pouring out the tea.....................

[Quacker]

Many many years ago when I was a kid (I guess it must have been in the late 70's) I went to a RSPB meeting in Blackpool (at the Imperial Hotel I think-classy eh?) and was amazed to see former Bolton striker Alan Gowling. He might even have been taking on the door fees or pouring out the tea.....................

Alan Gowling was still playing in the late 70s

Perhaps Joe Jordan the fearless, toothless striker did have a hide name after him as he certainly ruffled the feathers of a few defenders as i recall.

John Bird - ex Newcastle
Shaune Teale - ex Villa
John Sparrow - ex Chelsea

can they not be similarly honoured? ;)

[POP]

john sparrow on loan to Chelsea from Millwall in 79 and in 83 brian Sparrow on loan from Millwall to Arsenal,Obviously an influx of Sparrows.

John

[Geoff Pain]

Rats all I've got back is a message saying that my email delivery has failed,still I shall persevere.

[HokkaidoStu]

John Bird - ex Newcastle
Shaune Teale - ex Villa
John Sparrow - ex Chelsea

can they not be similarly honoured? ;)

Mark Robins - ex Man U
Gary Swann - ex Preston(?)
Alvin Martin - ex West ham

Maybe Rail Madrid could sponsor a hide too.

[Geoff Pain]

Mystery solved,just got back from a week in Norfolk where I made a few enquiries.Both the Joe Jordan and George Washington hides are named after two 'old boys' who did a lot of voluntary work on the reserve.George Wahington was described as being 80ish,looking as though he didn't have a penny in the world but actually drove a Rolls Royce.

Geoff