Anyone have the Canon 10D? [Archive]

paulh

Saturday 12th April 2003, 20:10

Just got ours yesterday evening and been trying them out today.

So far we've mostly been using a Canon 75-300mm IS zoom and a Canon 400L, but we've also tested the 10Ds out on our Canon 28-105mm zoom, Sigma 28-200mm and a Sigma 75-300mm zoom which all seem to work OK, although the Sigma 28-200 wouldn't work with an EOS 1V.

We've also got a Sigma 175-500mm zoom which won't work at all with the 10D.

jvhigbee

Saturday 12th April 2003, 23:26

Have 10D about a week. Using 100/400L IS telephoto. also 1.4 extender. works great.

bcurrie

Sunday 13th April 2003, 07:18

Pete, I do not have it (unfortunately), but from just the reviews and photos I have seen with it would highly recommend it. Economically, for bird photography, I think the Canon 75-300mmIS (definitely use lenses only with IS) is the best. The optics were supposedly recently improved after Canon had receive complaints. I have seen a number of photos with this lens (on another forum I belong to, a non-birding forum), and they were nothing short of superb.

I have not gotten the 10D as it would be useless to me without the 600mmIS lens. But since that is ONLY $7,000 -ish, I can hold off for now. I would also buy the 2X entender for it.

pnicholls

Sunday 13th April 2003, 18:10

Originally posted by bcurrie
Pete, I do not have it (unfortunately), but from just the reviews and photos I have seen with it would highly recommend it. Economically, for bird photography, I think the Canon 75-300mmIS (definitely use lenses only with IS) is the best. The optics were supposedly recently improved after Canon had receive complaints. I have seen a number of photos with this lens (on another forum I belong to, a non-birding forum), and they were nothing short of superb.

Are you talking about the 75-300mm 4.0-5.6 IS USM lens? That is likely the one I would use for now, but have been unable to determine if the 2x extender will fit anything other than the L series lens.

pnicholls

Sunday 13th April 2003, 18:13

Originally posted by jvhigbee
Have 10D about a week. Using 100/400L IS telephoto. also 1.4 extender. works great.

Don't think i can afford the L series lens right now, but that would be my pick if i could afford it! I know you will enjoy it.

pnicholls

Sunday 13th April 2003, 18:14

Originally posted by paulh
Just got ours yesterday evening and been trying them out today.

So far we've mostly been using a Canon 75-300mm IS zoom and a Canon 400L, but we've also tested the 10Ds out on our Canon 28-105mm zoom, Sigma 28-200mm and a Sigma 75-300mm zoom which all seem to work OK, although the Sigma 28-200 wouldn't work with an EOS 1V.

We've also got a Sigma 175-500mm zoom which won't work at all with the 10D.

With all of those lenses, you could send me one and i could continue to save up for the L series lens!

paulh

Sunday 13th April 2003, 21:26

Pete,
I'd love to send you a lens, but when Helen found one of hers missing...:gn:

bcurrie

Monday 14th April 2003, 03:56

Pete, that is the lens I am referring to. I do not know if the extender will fit that one, but a good photography equipment shop will know.

Denise

Tuesday 15th April 2003, 13:06

Hi Pete,
I've had my 10D for about 3 weeks now and in general I'm very pleased with it. Just watch for over exposure though, highlights can very easily be blown out. The lenses I use mainly are the 100-400 IS, 300 F4 IS and 28-135 IS. Another quality lens at a very reasonable s/h price is the 80-200mm 2.8L, it's just a shame that it can't be used with the extenders.

paula

Monday 28th April 2003, 21:54

How interesting all this is......I wonder if anyone can tell me if the 10D really is better at focussing quickly, I would like to get into flight photography and find the AF of the D60 so slow to catch on.
Will the AF still work with a 1.4 teleconverter ? Would that be a good thing to get for static birds, I must say, I would like a bit more magnification with my 100-400.
(Am saving up for 500mm 4.5 IS......I am sure the best way would be to buy it in the USA and take it to some marvellous wildlife reserve and use it straigt away. Anyone feels like joining me on a trip like that, some time later in the year/next year?

wizard

Monday 5th May 2003, 05:28

i was wondering, my son had a digital camera that i have used at times, great shots but the shutter responce is slow compaired to me OM2 SLR. i have used mine for all sorts of shots & you can take fast pictures with it in a very short time, somethong the digital seems to lack or be slow on. can anyone tell me if this only applies to the older models (over a year old that is).
thanks

helenh

Monday 5th May 2003, 09:14

paula, wizard,

I moved from an EOS 1V to the EOS 10D about 4 weeks ago. I can't say I've noticed any difference in focussing speed. The 10D has been as responsive as the 1V so far. The main difference as far as I'm concerned is the lack of spot metering in the 10D and it also has fewer focussing points than the 1V. However this is offset by the superb image quality (far better than anything we could get using traditional film and a scanner). We're finding that we don't need to use any software manipulation (sharpening, colour balancing etc) beyond the normal cropping and resizing.

paulh uses the 100-400 L USM IS lens with his 10D - you don't get AF with either the 1.4x or 2x converters but the IS does still work.

My main lens is a Canon L series 400mm which was fully compatible with the 1V when used with a 1.4x but the AF doesn't seem to work with the 10D. However there is a fault with the lens and it's currently in for repair. Jessops tell me it may require a chip upgrade to allow the 10D to use AF with the 1.4x or it might just be part of the same problem that's put it in the repair shop. If you like I'll let you know what happens when I get it back from the shop.

Helen

jvhigbee

Tuesday 6th May 2003, 02:11

I was quoted above as using a 1.4 extender with my 10D and 100/400 lens, but I was probably half asleep or something. What I have is an inexpensive 1.5 teleconverter made by Kenko. (Full name C-AF 1.15x Teleplus SHQ) The reason I bring this out is that I am able to use the autofocus capabilities of camera and lens with it with no apparent difference from the lens alone. This was true with my Elan7e also, although with it I sometimes had some serious vignetting. On the 10D I can detect no difference in quality at all.
Regarding focus and metering on 10D, I do note a slowness to lock focus as compared to the Elan7e and I fully agree with the need to watch for overexposure and highlight blowout. Sometimes I get shots where highs are blown but rest of picture is dark and like it has a gray film over it. Likely something I am doing but as yet don't know what.
Joe

pdackerman

Friday 23rd May 2003, 22:52

I have a D30 with a 75-300 IS and some times use a x2 adapter. All Canon cameras there is a max apeture figure the AF will work with. With the 75-300IS and a x2 adapter the AF does not work. A x2 adapter may work with one of the "L" lenses if they have a larger (smaller number) apature.
The photos from this set up are good (see www.bird-photos.co.uk ) though when I used it with a daylight lense they where crap.
Phil

cspratt

Saturday 19th July 2003, 20:05

Haven't seen any recent comments on the Canon 10D. Is everyone happy?

I'm looking at getting this for "field work" as the Kowa 823M and Nikon 4500 with tripod are very difficult for me to transport around the local woodlands looking for birds.

Chris. Spratt

eric s

Wednesday 23rd July 2003, 21:16

I've had the 10D, the 100-400L & Canon 1.4TC for a few months now. If you tape the pins correctly, the AF will still work with the TC. It won't work very well, but it does work.

Now I'm thinking about a 500mm. I can afford it, but can I justify it?

As for a focus speed and flight photography.... Well, I find that it works for slower moving birds, but faster things it seems to fall down. The AF often seeks on the slower bird (like a turn) and then I loose the bird. Maybe with more time I'll get better at it. Maybe not.

Eric

cspratt

Thursday 24th July 2003, 06:53

Originally posted by eric s
I've had the 10D, the 100-400L & Canon 1.4TC for a few months now. If you tape the pins correctly, the AF will still work with the TC. It won't work very well, but it does work.
Eric

I though the Canon 1.4TC was supposed to work (AF wise) with the 100-400L.

Chris. Spratt

Glen Tepke

Thursday 24th July 2003, 15:49

Chris -- according to Canon, AF does not work in the 100-400 with a TC.

Eric S -- Do you find that AF works better on flyingbirds without the TC?

Glen

paulh

Thursday 24th July 2003, 21:44

I've not really had any problems with that combination - at least none that can't be put down to cack-handedness and failure to track the bird properly.

The one thing that does throw the AF is a flock of birds crossing each other in flight. It tries to track on different birds as they cross in front of the focusing zone. But that's pretty much what I'd expect to happen.

Now all I need is a laser-guided, gyro-stabilised head and shoulders for tracking things like swifts!

eric s

Thursday 24th July 2003, 23:44

I'm mixed on using the 100-400 for flight. Some really good pros say it’s a wonderful flight lens. I find that it depends on the size of the subject.

Things like Great Blue Herons it works fine on. They fly fairly slow and they are large enough for the AF to detect and lock on. The same applies to the red tail/shoulder hawks I see... or even crows. They are large enough and move slow enough that it works.

Things like terns are another matter entirely. They are so small the AF doesn't always find them and then hunts. And when it does that you are dead in the water because the view goes completely blurry and they are long gone before you can find them. But if you can track the bird, it can lock on to something even that small.

paulh, my vote is for Doppler radar to guide the camera in following the swift or swallow in flight. That would solve all my problems. :)

Eric

DuncanBerenice

Saturday 30th August 2003, 16:03

I'm just waiting for my D10 to arrive, I've got an old Canon EOS 1000F and I telephoned Sigma to find out if my lenses would work on the D10 before I had ordered. Some Sigma lenses may need to be re-chipped to work on the D10, I'll gradually work towards the dearer lenses but at the moment the lenses I do have will do for now

Duncan

Walther Loff

Monday 1st September 2003, 20:39

I Have just read with great concern the demise of the Canon 10D, due to autofocus problems the service departments are flooded attempting to fix the cause to correct this.
I found this information in Dpreview.
I had my sights set on this unit, but now the pressure is off..
cheers
Walther

helenh

Tuesday 2nd September 2003, 00:28

Originally posted by Walther Loff
I Have just read with great concern the demise of the Canon 10D, due to autofocus problems the service departments are flooded attempting to fix the cause to correct this.
I found this information in Dpreview.
I had my sights set on this unit, but now the pressure is off..
cheers
Walther

Seems like a rumour based on Canon announcing the new 300D. Within the same forum there is an official Canon statement which refutes the suggestion that the 10D is about to be dropped. It states that the 10D will be on their catalogue of current products until sometime in '04. Sounds to me like a case of someone putting 2 and 2 together and getting 8 (or 300 :)).

helenh

George McCarthy

Tuesday 9th September 2003, 11:10

When buying a digital camera today, even if it has just been launched, you have to accept that it will very soon be replaced with a new model. Chances are that, in Japan the next generation is already on the designers screen if not the shelves and it will not only be better it will also be cheaper.

If you are considering changing from film to digital my advice is to buy in at the best level you can afford. Learn just what digital is all about and only when you have done so then will you be able to assess new models when they arrive and finally ditch your film bodies as you surely will!

George McCarthy

cspratt

Tuesday 21st October 2003, 23:26

As the Canon 10D doesn't come with a lens what would be a good "middle of the road" (price wise) lens to buy? I'm thinking about either the 28-135 IS or the 75-300 IS.

Thanks.

eric s

Thursday 23rd October 2003, 17:58

The 28-135 is not bad, I own it and several others. It's not the sharpest lens, but not the softest by far. It's weight and size are good.

What do you expect to use it for? Don't forget that will be longer because of the 1.6x

Some of the flavors of the X-300 are not good. There is one good one, though. I don't recall which is which, though. So I'd do my research before purchasing one of them.

Eric

cspratt

Thursday 23rd October 2003, 19:38

Thanks Eric.

I will be using it for birding. I need a lens to start out with (the camera doesn't come with one) and the 100-400 IS is too expensive for me right now. I will get that in a few months.

eric s

Friday 24th October 2003, 17:50

cspratt

Friday 24th October 2003, 19:34

Thanks for the reply. I've read some reviews on the 75-300 IS and I think I will pass on that one. I know the 28-135 IS isn't that great for birding but I do need some sort of lens (they sell the body only here) and it will get me used to using the camera.

The 100-400 IS lens is high on the purchase list but I'm on a limited retirement income so I will have to wait for that.

tarves57

Sunday 26th October 2003, 22:10

My 10D has been working very well since I bought it end of August. I have the 28-135mm lens and the 50mm. Both produce excellent pictures. As for birding, I haven't been able to afford a longer lens yet, but it's on my list!

The only thing I miss from my Nikon CP990 is the macro facility - I need to buy a 100mm macro lens to do this on the 10D and I won't have any spare cash for a loooooong time...8-))

Susan

gene

Sunday 26th October 2003, 23:11

I can highly recommend the 100-400. It isn't as sharp as the 400 f5.6, but it's more flexible. For me, that matters (of course, sharpness does too.)

It's a very difficult choice. If you plan on getting the 100-400, I wouldn't get at X-300, unless it was really fast (i.e. the speed is the reason to get it, not the zoom range.) Since I don't believe anyone makes a fast zoom in that range this wouldn't be the case. I would get the 28-135 because its just a handy lens for general photography. Not very wide after the 1.6x, but still nice.

The reality is that for most birding the 28-135 isn't long enough. Heck, I'll amend that to "the vast majority of birding." Sure, you can get close to some birds... but not many. The 400mm though the viewfinder (which doesn't have the 1.6x) is basically the same size as 8x binocs. I just compared it to my 8.5x Swift Audubon's and its slight smaller in the view. That makes the 135mm really only about 2x through the viewfinder.

Eric

I agree with Eric on his recommendation of the 100-400 IS. It is a very felxible lens and with its Image Stabilization, I never use a tripod (though I suppose I should). For birding you will always use it at 400mm. It is slightly soft @ 400mm f5.6 (wide open), but f6.7 is fine and you can back off to 380mm or so @ f5.6 and get back the sharpness.

The f4 400mm is sharper, especially wide open. I might have bought it, but it doeen't have image stabilization. If you are a full time tripod birder, I would recommend it over the 100-400, if utmost sharpness is important to you.

Gene

Paul Rule

Sunday 26th October 2003, 23:20

Hi Susan,

Rather than buying a 100 macro, how about some extension tubes, to use with your existing lenses. You should be able to get a set for £80 or so. The Canon ones will be more expensive but as there are no glass elements involved, you may as well go for a cheaper set.

Paul

tarves57

Monday 27th October 2003, 00:25

Hi Susan,

Rather than buying a 100 macro, how about some extension tubes,
Paul

Yes Paul, quite right. I was hoping to find the 100mm on Ebay for around £300 but unfortunately most being sold are from dealers outside the UK. They may sell at a good price, but they forget to mention the import duties and various other postal taxes/charges on top of that!
I've not seriously considered extension tubes, but I might have a closer study of them (no pun intended!) and see what they have to offer.

Susan

eric s

Monday 27th October 2003, 01:24

I posed a question about extention tubes vs. macro lenses on the George McCarthy forum. His answer confirmed what I thought. Take a look here:
http://birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=8903

I will get extention tubes at some point. But I will also get a macro lens some time as well.

cspratt
I can appreciate being on a retirement income. As long as you plan to get the 100-400 at a later date, then the other lens should do ok for simple stuff (and its a nice walk-around lens.) But remember that plan when you can't get the shot because the bird it too far away. And you'll be surprised, too far away is only about 10-15 feet.

Eric

Geoff Brown

Monday 27th October 2003, 20:03

Good news from Jessops the photo dealers. They phoned tonight to say my 10D body is on its way today. Thank goodness as I had several EOS lenses not doing a lot but they should soon be all gainfully employed yet again. Not too worried about telephoto range as I am still practicing with my coolpix 4500 + attached Nikon Telescope, and this will have to do for the time being. Like Susan this set up will have to do for the time being as my pension has taken a bit of an hammering with all this new optical and digital gear but what the heck. You can't take it with you, so you might as well enjoy! ;) :clap: