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Andy Atkinson
Wednesday 22nd February 2006, 10:06
A little note to all North East birders to pop along to the Opus gallery
in Shakespeare St in Newcastle. Show finishes March 4th.

Viv Reeves is exhibiting a cracking collection of quirky bird prints (alongside a load of his more usual whacky stuff). Have a look at: http://www.britart.com/show/vr/vic_reeves_prints.aspx

You can buy limited edition prints (of 50) signed by the artist of Lapwing, Goldfinch, Curlew, Water Rail, Rook, Crested Tit, GS Woodpecker, Coot.

I bought the Lapwing but would've had 3 or 4. Another birder from Darlo was in at the same time buying the Rook.

Andy

chrisgarner
Wednesday 22nd February 2006, 14:18
Hi Andy

Good post,absolutely fascinating. Particularly taken with the Coot but if I had the price of the print I'd rather put it t'ward a ticket outta Dodge. Somewhere sunny methinks.

My nephew Ricky draws a mean Puffin and his Gannet is a tour de force,he's 6 years old and charges a lot less!

Chris.

Bubbs
Wednesday 22nd February 2006, 20:00
£200+ for that rubbish. They are about as good as Bill Oddies drawings. At least Bill admits his are crap!

If you know your bird artists you can easily pick up original published bird art for £200+.

I bought an original from Martin Woodcock's book, Pittas, for less than this and beautifully framed by Martins wife. I even know where you can buy the original book plates from Birds of Africa for not much more than £300.

Save your money and buy 'real' art.

John.

Sandra (Taylor)
Wednesday 22nd February 2006, 21:18
I agree with you John. I wouldn't have them given, as we say here in West Yorkshire. I find them very childish and would much rather look at lots of other prints that are on the market. There's such talent out there. But these of Vic Reeves' really leave me cold. Are they serious? I almost feel as if he's pulling a fast one..

Sandra

:eek!:

nigelblake
Wednesday 22nd February 2006, 21:41
Utter garbage, its an insult to the many talented artists that struggle to get noticed. That someone who is well known for other reasons can get this, frankly, childish work exhibited, and, that people will pay such good money is beyond me!

stew the smew
Thursday 23rd February 2006, 03:41
brilliant stuff andy, thanks for the link. i shall be visiting at the weekend.

Bish
Thursday 23rd February 2006, 12:29
I can't believe anyone would part with money for this crap!

I like Vic Reeves as a comedian & he's definitely having a laugh at someones expense!

Regards Bish. 3:-)

Ben Nevis
Thursday 23rd February 2006, 12:42
He should be paying for people to take them away..! What is that,the Crested Tit is standing on ? Maybe they have forgot to mention that he did the drawings,when he was 10..!

birdman
Thursday 23rd February 2006, 13:34
Hmm... tricky...

Firstly, I agree that there are unrecognised artists who will struggle to get their work exhibited, whereas Vic Reeves' work will be shoed in becuase he is Vic Reeves, and anyone from the Gallery who suggests otherwise is simply lying.

Secondly, let's not confuse art with illustration. Not suggesting any of the contributors are, but...

Thirdly, how many "real" artists get away with producing any old rubbish... it's the greatest realm of the snob I can think of.

Fourthly, do I like them? Well actually, I do, to be honest.

Fifthly, would I fork out £250? Absolutely not!

Brian Bullough
Thursday 23rd February 2006, 14:02
£100,000 for the bird prints alone,not serious art ,or some would say not even art, but SERIOUS money nevertheless ,perhaps it will be donated to a worthy cause?
Brian

London Birder
Thursday 23rd February 2006, 14:11
money for old rope ... best stick to oversize winklepickers and beckoning the dove from above

John Jackson
Thursday 23rd February 2006, 15:03
I, for one, am looking forward to the completed field guide.

Keith Dickinson
Thursday 23rd February 2006, 15:09
I, for one, am looking forward to the completed field guide.

With text by Bob Mortimer no doubt

Bubbs
Thursday 23rd February 2006, 19:33
I, for one, am looking forward to the completed field guide.

Reeves has asked my god-daughter to illustrate any update of his field guide. He recognises that, Abigail, is a much better artist....she is 7 years old!


John.

Bubbs
Thursday 23rd February 2006, 19:35
Apparently Lars Jonsson and Killian Mullarney are quaking in their boots!
John.

level seven
Thursday 23rd February 2006, 20:16
What is that,the Crested Tit is standing on ?

Good question! And what's that on the rook's head?

I did find them amusing though, so if that was the intention they succeeded.

stew the smew
Friday 24th February 2006, 00:02
i knew we had a lot of birding experts in here, i didn't realise we were surrounded by the art experts too.

i love the old "my kids could do better than that", it always succeeds in reducing any serious artistic discussion to the level of tabloid and i always find myself asking, "well why isn't your child/godchild/pet terrier making you shed loads of money then?"

whether you like it or not i doubt mr reeves is that bothered and would probably have a little giggle at your responses and then maybe produce an artwork or sketch based around them. they are very funny after all :)

http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/the_north_east/entertainment/ART0.html

Tim Allwood
Friday 24th February 2006, 00:27
come on then

let's see someone post something 'better'

I reckon they're great...

well done Mr Reeves

field guide 'art' isn't that difficult.. plenty of people can paint to that standard, almost can meself but 'creativity' and 'imagination' dont come easy.

if u can do it, lets see....

Tim

Tim Allwood
Friday 24th February 2006, 00:31
hitler had an interesting take on 'weird' art

he said: anyone who paints the sky green and the grass blue should be sterilised

Tim

nigelblake
Friday 24th February 2006, 00:45
Thank god you've finally seen this thread Tim, I thought you'd keeled over.

And yes Stew the Smew I have a degree in art and for the record my kid does loads better than this, and is currently in New York making a video and exhibiting!

Woody
Friday 24th February 2006, 09:40
Cant say I particularly like them but 'Each to his own'. Just to put the record straight for Vic Reeves (nee Jim Moir) here's an extract from an article about him:



Moir is not, of course, the first celebrity to turn his hand to artistic endeavours - nor the first suspected of being given a leg-up by his status. "No one's said it to my face," he says. "But struggling artists probably think, well, he's got it easy because he's known, and there's some truth in that. I don't think Ronnie Wood would have exhibitions if he wasn't Ronnie Wood."

In fact painting was Moir's original career plan. He attended a foundation course at Sir John Cass College in Whitechapel, London, then continued drawing and painting while working in a gallery in London's New Cross in the mid-1980s, where he exhibited some of his own work and helped pay his way by selling copies of Van Goghs and Rembrandts for £50 each. He never stopped, he says, even after he turned to comedy, and doing the exhibition has given him the impetus to do new work. He's not hugely motivated otherwise. "I'm a bit too idle."


The full article is here: http://www.vicandbob.net/text/guardian_int.htm


The most irritating thing is the fact that the name gets him exhibited, probably not the art. Would they command such high prices if he used his real name? The same thing is true for writers, anyone remember Budgie the helecopter or Victoria Plum?

Yes, I paint birds and wildlife, and would love to make a living at it. I also write and illustrate children's stories.


Woody

London Birder
Friday 24th February 2006, 10:05
since when do you have to be an art expert to call something rubbish ... crap, just like Tracey wotshernames bed

Tim Allwood
Friday 24th February 2006, 10:40
since when do you have to be an art expert to call something rubbish ... crap, just like Tracey wotshernames bed

like everything

the more work you do, the more you learn and find out, the more valid your opinion

Tim

London Birder
Friday 24th February 2006, 11:09
lmao ...

hands up all 'art experts'

Bubbs
Friday 24th February 2006, 11:21
since when do you have to be an art expert to call something rubbish ... crap, just like Tracey wotshernames bed

London Birder is quite right...

I attended Harrogate College of Art from 1968 thru 1971 but would never call myself an expert. I just have a simple love of good art.

And you don't need canvas for art; take a look at Nigel Blakes work,take a look at some of our brilliant wood carvers, take a look at the art of stone carvers of Kenya (who are paid pennies).....and then take another look at the 'art' of Mr Reeves.

I listened to the Radio 4 interview some weeks ago about the Vic Reeves exhibition. This 'art' wasn't/isn't meant to amuse...'It's serious, man'

If we had to be an expert on everything, before expressing an opinion, our lives would be very sad.

John.

Tim Allwood
Friday 24th February 2006, 11:54
lmao ...

hands up all 'art experts'

I've done a fair bit of work on this topic over the years...

everything the artists spits out is art is a famous quote i like

whether you like the art or not is irrelevant

it's one area of life where people just have to voice what they don't like rather than what they do... free yourselves from your repressed psychologies... it's cool.

a GI once said to picasso 'your pictures look nothing like real life, they're rubbish!' Picasso asked to look at a picture of thr GI's girlfriend... Is she really that small? he said...!!!

Tim

London Birder
Friday 24th February 2006, 12:35
cool...then it's irrelevent and crap lol

all for differing ways of seeing stuff via artistic representation but as my mate said once to Brian Sewell at the Tate Modern ... 'your full of shit mate'

mind you he's into Klee

Tim Allwood
Friday 24th February 2006, 14:16
cool...then it's irrelevent and crap lol

all for differing ways of seeing stuff via artistic representation but as my mate said once to Brian Sewell at the Tate Modern ... 'your full of shit mate'

mind you he's into Klee

I'm sure Mr Sewell knows the difference between You're and your though

nowt wrong with Klee

I love art, especially the way it winds up boring old farts

Tim

London Birder
Friday 24th February 2006, 14:37
like Brian Sewell

he left the E out when he said it Tim ... he was being arty

Bubbs
Friday 24th February 2006, 19:28
I'm sure Mr Sewell knows the difference between You're and your though

nowt wrong with Klee

I love art, especially the way it winds up boring old farts

Tim

I didn't think I was that boring!...... 8-P

John.

mjobling
Wednesday 1st March 2006, 11:48
To place these paintings in context, I've been a fan of Vic Reeves since Big Night Out first graced our screens and his artwork has always played an important part in his comedy.

Many of his sketches featured his own surreal illustrations, many of which appeared in the excellent book "Sun Boiled Onions" (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0718143965/026-0897533-3921211).

I, for one, would probably be willing to pay the price for these illustrations, but it's not because they are "technically" good. It's just because it combines my love for Vic Reeves' comedy illustrations and my love for birds.

The punk crested tit is particularly good.

Steve G
Friday 3rd March 2006, 18:02
:storm:


I know nothing of art.........complete mystery to me. Certain things I can appreciate as being of aesthetic value & of cultural/historical relevance to mankind but most modern art -complete crap.
Close down the galleries & spend the money on helping the world's poor or on protecting virgin wilderness before the loggers do their stuff.
Mr Reeves' canvas collection ......complete sh1te.
Where will it stop? We'll be buying dog keech tastefully deposited by Mitzi & Rover just 'cos their owner is a big cheese in the art/entertainment world (Govan street art). Well not me boy, not me!

Feel much better now. Strangely this modern art has been somewhat cathartic, think I'll cancel next weeks colonic irrigation.

Andrew Whitehouse
Friday 3rd March 2006, 18:18
Feel much better now. Strangely this modern art has been somewhat cathartic, think I'll cancel next weeks colonic irrigation.

Although if you were an artist you could sell the results of the latter for a small fortune. Probably not to me though.

mjobling
Sunday 5th March 2006, 11:03
Although if you were an artist you could sell the results of the latter for a small fortune. Probably not to me though.

You've both been beaten to your idea by the artist Piero Manzoni:

Go to http://www.pieromanzoni.org/EN/works.htm and scroll down to the bottom.

Quacker
Tuesday 21st March 2006, 08:12
Art can be rubbish, rubbish can be art. Art is opinion n'est pas?

Never hear of Art for Art's sake? (10cc)

However....you lot just wouldn't let it lie :cool: