1DMK3 Problem's

[GYRob]

found this on another forum looks like the mk3 is not up to the job ,i had just ordered one but it will take a couple of month's to arive so hopefully Canon will have fixed it or it will go back.
Rob.
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-8740-9006

[Keith Reeder]

The jury seems to be out on the AF issue, Rob - for every post or article expressing concerns about the Mk III there are far more suggesting it is indeed the Bog's Dollocks - Andy Rouse raves about the AF.

But this is the risk you run in being an "early adopter" - I've done it before and will never do it again...

[GYRob]

The jury seems to be out on the AF issue, Rob - for every post or article expressing concerns about the Mk III there are far more suggesting it is indeed the Bog's Dollocks - Andy Rouse raves about the AF.

But this is the risk you run in being an "early adopter" - I've done it before and will never do it again...

a lot are happy and a lot unhappy -at leaaed when mine arives we will know for sure how good it is in an exspert's hands ;) ;) lol
iv just read yet another review and he say's it's ok although it's not on bif shot's but kids running most AF digital camera's should be able to do that .
it's fine by me if it carn't get Kids infocus as long as it will get bird's :)

Rob

[Andy Bright]

The jury seems to be out on the AF issue, Rob - for every post or article expressing concerns about the Mk III there are far more suggesting it is indeed the Bog's Dollocks - Andy Rouse raves about the AF.

But this is the risk you run in being an "early adopter" - I've done it before and will never do it again...

It's all quite bemusing... tempted to say amusing, but I've seen some smug posts on dpr, and the authors come across as pretty repulsive creatures, so bad luck to those who are having problems... someone has to be the first to buy a new product.

I've yet to find any issues with the MkIII, 'bifs', 'boas' or whatever. It's also odd that there seems far fewer complaints from this side of the atlantic?

If something arises, then I'm not too badly off... cps member and Canon service can be walked to from here on a good day (o.k., a very energetic day).

Still, where's the popcorn? ;)

[Kite]

I've yet to find any issues with the MkIII, 'bifs', 'boas' or whatever. It's also odd that there seems far fewer complaints from this side of the atlantic?

Same here, Andy. Just a shame all the birds seemed to dive for cover and never emerge as soon as I got it out of the box! ;)

Hope you get a good one Rob :t:

[Keith Reeder]

Oh yeah Andy, "amusing" would be the wrong word - it's a real sickener when the new toy doesn't live up to expectations, and as you say, somebody has to make the first move.

It's a subject of much conversation on POTN too.

What baffles me in particular is that most people who have reported issues with BIFs seem to have been talking about situations where the background is cluttered, whereas Mr Galbraith is critical of the AF in situations where I'd expect pretty much any camera to manage well enough.

[pe'rigin]

I would be more concerned with that lovely grey and yellow cast in the photos, more than whether it focused on a moving object correctly in autofocus.

[NickRno77]

I have an M3 and have not experienced the problems these guys are having, mind you I am coming from 30D so I can't compare to a 1D MKIIn.

If you care to look there are few BIF images of common town birds in my gallery, I was just snapping away at these, nothing spectacular. Ideally to test this problem of OOF shots of Birds , objects coming at the M3 would be good to find a Heron flying towards the M3 with noisy BG. I don't get many Herons in Herts:-C
70-200mm f/2.8 IS + 1.4x
http://nickr.zenfolio.com/p344394880
300mm f/2.8 IS 10FPS shots
http://nickr.zenfolio.com/p162363799/

[graham catley]

some impressive looking shots there Nick; interesting that the flying Collared Doves have the eye sharp in a side on shot where the nearest wing often seems to catch the focus on a lot of my shots; any idea if you had a good DOF or did you speciifically have it one centre focus point and aim for the head or has the camera worked wonders?

[NickRno77]

some impressive looking shots there Nick; interesting that the flying Collared Doves have the eye sharp in a side on shot where the nearest wing often seems to catch the focus on a lot of my shots; any idea if you had a good DOF or did you speciifically have it one centre focus point and aim for the head or has the camera worked wonders?

Graham, I was shooting wide open f/4 but these are big crops which may explained why the hole bird is in focus, I used centre point AF focused on any part of the stationary dove, when he took flight I just panned and shot at 10FPS, the dove was no where near the AF point in a lot of these shots so I guess the camera has worked wonders, really though I guess M3 did not try and re focus on the sky?

I am not sure if I have the skill to focus on a birds eye;)

Cheers

[Andy Bright]

I am not sure if I have the skill to focus on a birds eye;)

Cheers

Don't worry, even Andy Rouse admitted the same in the last week ;)

[graham catley]

looks like even the Fins are having some problems with the AF
http://www.birdphoto.fi/arto/wk25-2007/

[stefeb]

I've yet to find any issues with the MkIII, 'bifs', 'boas' or whatever. It's also odd that there seems far fewer complaints from this side of the atlantic?


It's good to read your comments. I'm picking mine up tomorrow (live on the other side of the Atlantic), and am a bit apprehensive, thinking perhaps I should have waited a bit. But, at least I'll have the camera, and if a fix is needed I'm about an hour away from the Canon service center.

[John Malloy]

looks like even the Fins are having some problems with the AF
http://www.birdphoto.fi/arto/wk25-2007/


I hope I have the same AF issues when mine arrives later this week! Check out MV's Swift, also with 1DmkIII...

http://www.birdphoto.fi/markus/0725.php

[graham catley]

New mark III camera seems to be excellent except obvious problems with focusing. It is not as good as mkII but I hope this will solved soon with some software updates.After 1000 shots I got also some sharp ones...

Does he mean that 1000 were OOF? I see they also think that the problems may be solved with a software update? anyone know if this might be possible without a major change to the camera circuits?

[Andy Bright]

I see they also think that the problems may be solved with a software update? anyone know if this might be possible without a major change to the camera circuits?

It's very difficult for anyone to answer that... if it's a case of timing of focus locks and suchlike, then that should be easily done via firmware update.

I have had one problem in 2 weeks, and that was a small low contrast static subject with a 300/2.8 that i had the camera on to view rather than take a photo of... and the camera was in AI servo as well (not at all ideal for a static), and focus wouldn't lock at all, it was all over the place.... but I'm pretty sure my 1Ds would've locked on in AI servo though.

Some of those reporting problems are saying that they can't even get a lock in one shot mode... which is very bizarre, and thankfully one I have never encountered.

As it is, it seems like some pretty specific circumstances have to take place for the problems to arise... long fast lenses wide open, subject coming towards you at speed, high temperatures? heat haze? humidity? Mars in alignment with Saturn?

cheers,
Andy

[mjmw]

anyone know if this might be possible without a major change to the camera circuits?

I would have thought so - most of the functionality in an AF system is basically a computer so I would hope the firmware could be updated - didn't one of their recent bodies get an AF update in a firmware release? This assumes that they haven't messed up the physical construction of the system...

[Barry Boswell]

It's very difficult for anyone to answer that... if it's a case of timing of focus locks and suchlike, then that should be easily done via firmware update.

I have had one problem in 2 weeks, and that was a small low contrast static subject with a 300/2.8 that i had the camera on to view rather than take a photo of... and the camera was in AI servo as well (not at all ideal for a static), and focus wouldn't lock at all, it was all over the place.... but I'm pretty sure my 1Ds would've locked on in AI servo though.

Some of those reporting problems are saying that they can't even get a lock in one shot mode... which is very bizarre, and thankfully one I have never encountered.

As it is, it seems like some pretty specific circumstances have to take place for the problems to arise... long fast lenses wide open, subject coming towards you at speed, high temperatures? heat haze? humidity? Mars in alignment with Saturn?

cheers,
Andy

Hi Andy,

I have been using the new Mk III for about 3 weeks. I have no problems with focusing on static objects in 1 shot mode, but trying to use al servo for flight shots is so far producing much poorer results than I was getting with my old 20D. If a bird is against a plain sky then I get focus lock but an annoyingly small percentage come out sharp - maybe 20 percent. Also if there is background clutter then I am usually struggling to get any focus lock at all with either centre point or multi-point focusing. I just wondered if you could tell me which of the Custom Function settings you have been using to get an improvement over the default settings.

One thing which I cannot work out - the centre focusing point on the 20D nails quite a lot of flight shots for me - especially when tripod mounted. The Mk III just doesn't - it is as though the centre fucusing point is just too big and still favours the background.

Any advice would be hugely appreciated.

Barry Boswell

[graham catley]

I hope I have the same AF issues when mine arrives later this week! Check out MV's Swift, also with 1DmkIII...

http://www.birdphoto.fi/markus/0725.php

Swifts area good test of any AF system---have a look at my blog to see how my 1DIIN and 300 2.8 fared on a gang of feeding birds on Friday---I still find that against the sky the 45 AF points work really well even with small subjects but get any background even water and off it goes ---one Swift attached

blog http://pewit.blogspot.com/

[John Malloy]

Nice shots Graham!
I'm expecting delivery on Tuesday and am anxious to get out into the field to give it a go. There has been much discussion on digital photography review and it appears that custom functions may be part of the AF "issues" encountered by users to date - I guess familiarisation/experimentation with them may assist with the percentage of keepers taken. Here is a link to one of the suggested custom functions configuration for wildlife photography -

http://www.wildlifeimagesbyles.net/Technique/1DIII_Guide/1diii_guide.html

Obviously I can't comment as I have not got mine yet! It would be interesting to hear from other users if they have attempted any function setting changes and establish if this has resolved any issues encountered...

[Barry Boswell]

Nice shots Graham!
I'm expecting delivery on Tuesday and am anxious to get out into the field to give it a go. There has been much discussion on digital photography review and it appears that custom functions may be part of the AF "issues" encountered by users to date - I guess familiarisation/experimentation with them may assist with the percentage of keepers taken. Here is a link to one of the suggested custom functions configuration for wildlife photography -

http://www.wildlifeimagesbyles.net/Technique/1DIII_Guide/1diii_guide.html

Obviously I can't comment as I have not got mine yet! It would be interesting to hear from other users if they have attempted any function setting changes and establish if this has resolved any issues encountered...

That was a really useful link. Now if it will just stop raining for a while I can go and test the recommended settings!

Barry Boswell

[Andy Bright]

Hi Andy,
I just wondered if you could tell me which of the Custom Function settings you have been using to get an improvement over the default settings.


Barry Boswell
Hi Barry,
Mainly defaut settings except for tracking sensitivity set to fast for bif's in the clear, but set to one above slow for messy bg's. Focus point expansion is set to surrounding assist. I have not tried the auto 45point AF.

In fairness, most of my bif shots are lateral panning type (or such that the distance between myself and the subject isn't decreasing at an extreme speed).

Chances at the moment for birds flying directly towards me at speed are non-existant :( Then again, shots like that are never that common, and only rarely are they aeshetically pleasing imho....so if there is a problem, I probably wouldn't find out about it (or worry much about it), as opposed to sports shooters, where it's vital.

The example below is travelling at speed, although not directly at me (part of a 6 frame sequence, all 100%)...

[Barry Boswell]

Andy, Thanks for the info. I am slowly building up ideas of how I might get to grips with this camera.

Barry Boswell

[mjmw]

Stumbled upon this info from Canon USA today - may be of interest to some but doesn't mention much about AF.

Canon 1D mkIII vs 1D mkIIN settings (http://www.author-works.com/media/media-23360.pdf)

[Barry Boswell]

I think this link has been updated recently, but it is still very negative re the autofocus problems:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-8740-9006

Barry Boswell

[Clive Watson]

I've been following this thread from a position of detatched amusement. I'm just astonished that you lot can all afford one.

[pe'rigin]

Clive,


It's a good camera, whether it's worth £3000, well, that's another question!

[Andrew Ellis]

I've been following this thread from a position of detatched amusement. I'm just astonished that you lot can all afford one.

That was going to be one of my questions! how do most people
buy these pro bodies and pro Lenses, I imagine alot is on the
tick!! I know it would be the only way i could so I am going
to wait and see if these probs with the D1 mk 3 get ironed out

[GYRob]

I've been following this thread from a position of detatched amusement. I'm just astonished that you lot can all afford one.

well it's cheaper than my f4is L :)
the way i look at it is this - we dont get a lot of chance here in the UK birds are shy the weather is crap most of the time to and if im going to put lot's of time into trying to get really nice shot's i want ALL the help gear can give me so will make a bit more effort to get the best ,i make my self aford it .
Rob.

[Barry Boswell]

well it's cheaper than my f4is L :)
the way i look at it is this - we dont get a lot of chance here in the UK birds are shy the weather is crap most of the time to and if im going to put lot's of time into trying to get really nice shot's i want ALL the help gear can give me so will make a bit more effort to get the best ,i make my self aford it .
Rob.

Couldn't have put it better myself!

Has anyone got any useful updates on these problems with the Mk III? I am on the verge of sending mine back.

Barry Boswell

[Tannin]

how do most people buy these pro bodies and pro Lenses

By going without other stuff that is less important. If you would rather put that extension on the garage or take that luxury five star holiday to the Canary Islands or buy that new car, fine. Me, I'll walk before I do without my lenses!

[pe'rigin]

Andrew,


A lot of people have invested large amounts of money in lenses and other Canon equipment, so they are caught with a brand. Canon has done a really good marketing job with this camera, almost like the frenzy pre-Christmas toy demand. They will shift shed-loads on pre-order at a very high retail cost, I would say over-priced.

The sensible thing to do was to wait until the camera was out for some months before purchasing. It’s a bit like software firms launching their products into the market place hoping for feedback on problems from the consumer.

[mjmw]

Canon has done a really good marketing job with this camera, almost like the frenzy pre-Christmas toy demand. They will shift shed-loads on pre-order at a very high retail cost, I would say over-priced.

:t:

Canon have been to the Steve Job's school of marketing, made it global and it worked ;)


iPhone anyone?

[mjmw]

By going without other stuff that is less important. If you would rather put that extension on the garage or take that luxury five star holiday to the Canary Islands or buy that new car, fine. Me, I'll walk before I do without my lenses!

Don't forget you can sell the wife too, if you need a car...or, having thought about it, a 300/2.8 and 16-35/2.8...

[pe'rigin]

Mark,

Don't get me on Apple, for what I paid for my first Mac, I could now buy the EOS-1Ds Mark I, plus a 300mm, F2.8 IS and a holiday in Spain, (I think I would still choose Nikon though).

Seriously, I hope Canon are not going to start playing this game, where they pre-launch through leaked reports and reviews and hike the product value cost up.

[Andrew Ellis]

Andrew,


A lot of people have invested large amounts of money in lenses and other Canon equipment, so they are caught with a brand. Canon has done a really good marketing job with this camera, almost like the frenzy pre-Christmas toy demand. They will shift shed-loads on pre-order at a very high retail cost, I would say over-priced.

The sensible thing to do was to wait until the camera was out for some months before purchasing. It’s a bit like software firms launching their products into the market place hoping for feedback on problems from the consumer.

Thanks for that good advice, I was planning to wait and it will give me more
time to save!!!, Plus any more probs should be ironed out by then.:t:

[Gary Jenkins]

I had my heart set on a MarkIII to upgrade from a 20D,but have chosen to buy a 1D MarkIIn.
Bought on the net from B&H in New York they asked why I wasnt buying a MarkIII to which I replied that as there were a few disgruntled messages here an there on the net, I decided to go with what the big boys use and that it had a good track record.
B&H told me that was a good idea,as the Mark IIn is vitually flawless,good track record and that theyve received complaints from 'virtually' all the purchasers of the new Mark III.
I couldnt find anyone in the UK selling brand new Mark IIn's and as I bought my 500mm f4.0 from B&H I looked on their site,and they had em in stock.With the exchange rate so good the camera cost me 1600 quid and then 310 in duties.So I saved 1100 quid for a camera 'just as quick' but with a few less pixels.Im sure the MarkIII will come good.I just decided to save some money an put it down on a complete winner.

[Andrew Ellis]

I had my heart set on a MarkIII to upgrade from a 20D,but have chosen to buy a 1D MarkIIn.
Bought on the net from B&H in New York they asked why I wasnt buying a MarkIII to which I replied that as there were a few disgruntled messages here an there on the net, I decided to go with what the big boys use and that it had a good track record.
B&H told me that was a good idea,as the Mark IIn is vitually flawless,good track record and that theyve received complaints from 'virtually' all the purchasers of the new Mark III.
I couldnt find anyone in the UK selling brand new Mark IIn's and as I bought my 500mm f4.0 from B&H I looked on their site,and they had em in stock.With the exchange rate so good the camera cost me 1600 quid and then 310 in duties.So I saved 1100 quid for a camera 'just as quick' but with a few less pixels.Im sure the MarkIII will come good.I just decided to save some money an put it down on a complete winner.

You sound one sensible guy gary. Hope you get on well with your
new purchase. ;)

[hansbertil]

I found this in a test-report released yesterday on the "ProPhoto HOME" site. They concluded that the latest camera bodies of EOS-1D Mark III, had a "AI Servo" that worked much better than it did on Mark II. I have the Mark III myself, but have only tested AI Servo using 3 frames per second, and it seemed to work fine. Some parts may only be accessable to members of the site

http://www.prophotohome.com/forum/pro-photo-reviews-articles/73689-canon-1d-mkiii-autofocus-interactive-review.html?garpg=12#content_start

[Gary Jenkins]

Many thanks Andrew.Nice comment.Makes a change for someone not slaggin photogaphers,birders with cameras etc.All the best.

[graham catley]

What I would like to see, and I suspect many other bird photographers, is a review of the Mark III with regard to AF ability on flying birds which do not fill the frame;
all these published reviews based on large, obvious running people and birds like Great Blue Herons in flight, about the equivalent of photographing a steam train or a bus, do not address the quiestion of whether the new AF system will pick up and track a small bird in flight a) against the sky when the bird is moving about up, down, side to side and away and towards you and B) when it moves in front of vegetation or other distracting backgrounds which always seems to fool my camera. A test on something like a passerine, a rapid flying, not gliding raptor, or dare I suggest a Swift would produce more camparative results than an athlete moving on a set sourse at a predictable speed; so has anyone done such a test?

[macshark]

What I would like to see, and I suspect many other bird photographers, is a review of the Mark III with regard to AF ability on flying birds which do not fill the frame;
all these published reviews based on large, obvious running people and birds like Great Blue Herons in flight, about the equivalent of photographing a steam train or a bus, do not address the quiestion of whether the new AF system will pick up and track a small bird in flight a) against the sky when the bird is moving about up, down, side to side and away and towards you and B) when it moves in front of vegetation or other distracting backgrounds which always seems to fool my camera. A test on something like a passerine, a rapid flying, not gliding raptor, or dare I suggest a Swift would produce more camparative results than an athlete moving on a set sourse at a predictable speed; so has anyone done such a test?

Good point. All I know is that my 350D is plain old horrible in the situations you described, and a MkIIn I had a chance to try once does great. I hope the Mk III does at least as good as the MKIIn...

[Malcolm Stewart]

What I would like to see, and I suspect many other bird photographers, is a review of the Mark III with regard to AF ability on flying birds which do not fill the frame;
...
...A test on something like a passerine, a rapid flying, not gliding raptor, or dare I suggest a Swift would produce more comparative results than an athlete moving on a set course at a predictable speed; so has anyone done such a test?

Graham, what you are suggesting is incredibly difficult, particularly to do in a reasonably easy to repeat fashion.
Whether Canon have a suitable rig, I don't know - I would hope so. When I worked in industry (military avionics) we worked very hard on our test gear, and even so, we discussed and agreed with MoD statistical values and confidence levels before we did the testing.
I have tested my 5D against speeding vehicles on the M1, and the biggest variable I found was the amount of detail in the approaching vehicles. Hence the need for a test rig, rather than hoping that the "right" type of bird flies by!

I believe that Canon have just announced that new firmware will be available for the 1D MkIII in a few days - let's hope that it fixes the problems.

[Andy Bright]

Not quite the unpredictability of Swifts but far faster, I did RIAT on sunday... and the MkIII hit everything time after time, large or small in the viewfinder.
As I've said before, I can almost walk to Canon from here, and to be honest the firmware update hasn't got me nipping up there in any rush. Early reports on the web indicate subtle improvement in AI servo with 1.09 but time will tell.

[paul goode]

Great shots Andy. I've looked at RIAT shots on a couple of other forums and these are the best I've seen. Are they taken with the 300 f2.8 and 1.4x?

Paul

[NickRno77]

Not quite the unpredictability of Swifts but far faster, I did RIAT on sunday... and the MkIII hit everything time after time, large or small in the viewfinder.
As I've said before, I can almost walk to Canon from here, and to be honest the firmware update hasn't got me nipping up there in any rush. Early reports on the web indicate subtle improvement in AI servo with 1.09 but time will tell.

Andy, these are sharp, brilliant images, some of the best Airshow pics I have seen as well. I can't get my head round this firmware update, do we put it on our M3's which have no problems at all? will it make ours even better? will it make ours worse?

Cheers

Nick

[Andy Bright]

Great shots Andy. I've looked at RIAT shots on a couple of other forums and these are the best I've seen. Are they taken with the 300 f2.8 and 1.4x?
Paul

I think you're looking on the wrong forums ;) The gloom on sunday added a bit of drama to the shots, and hopefully mine are as good as most from sunday.
Yep, the 300/2.8 + 1.4x ... I used a 70-200 on another body for the bigger stuff, not shown here.

Andy, these are sharp, brilliant images, some of the best Airshow pics I have seen as well. I can't get my head round this firmware update, do we put it on our M3's which have no problems at all? will it make ours even better? will it make ours worse?
Cheers
Nick

Thanks Nick. Firmware updates aren't compulsory... if you're happy, then don't bother with it. Seems as if the lcd review has been 'improved' with the update, but that's not something that bothers me.
The firmware will be online at the end of the month, or so word has it.
cheers,
Andy

[paul goode]

I think you're looking on the wrong forums ;) The gloom on sunday added a bit of drama to the shots, and hopefully mine are as good as most from sunday.
Yep, the 300/2.8 + 1.4x ... I used a 70-200 on another body for the bigger stuff, not shown here.



Thanks Nick. Firmware updates aren't compulsory... if you're happy, then don't bother with it. Seems as if the lcd review has been 'improved' with the update, but that's not something that bothers me.
The firmware will be online at the end of the month, or so word has it.
cheers,
Andy

My fault for looking on an airshow forum!

I was afraid it was it was that lens. Not taking anything anyway from the person behind the camera,which is by far the most significant factor, but images taken with that lens seem to have a clarity which stands out.

Paul

[Andy Bright]

My fault for looking on an airshow forum!
Paul

No, I meant there are a number of those sites around... the quality varies considerably. Fencecheck has some top stuff to aspire to.

cheers,
Andy

[paul goode]

No, I meant there are a number of those sites around... the quality varies considerably. Fencecheck has some top stuff to aspire to.

cheers,
Andy

We are singing from the same hymn sheet, Andy. There certainly is some variety out there. ;)

[hansbertil]

Canon is to release a Firmware update v1.0.9 to EOS-1D Mark III by the end of this month, address issues with AI Servo AF, among other things....

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-8741-9053

[Leo S]

The example below is travelling at speed, although not directly at me (part of a 6 frame sequence, all 100%)...

Hi Andy,

Nice shot of the Parakeet in flight. Could you please tell me which lens you used for that shot?

Thanks,
Leo

[Andy Bright]

Hi Andy,

Nice shot of the Parakeet in flight. Could you please tell me which lens you used for that shot?

Thanks,
Leo

Hi Leo,
That was with a 300/2.8 + 1.4x tc.
Cheers,
Andy

[hansbertil]

Here is an experienced photographer shooting flying birds with mark III, and has no problems doing so.

http://www.greglasley.net/aaacanonmark3.html

[IanC_UK]

Version 1.1.0 of the software is now out

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eos1dm3/firmware.html

[GYRob]

Version 1.1.0 of the software is now out

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eos1dm3/firmware.html

it would apear to not be helping with the focus problems of the MK3 - wish Canon would get on with a fix lots are very dissapointed with not only the camera but the way Canon are NOT saying muct about it
Rob

[IanC_UK]

it would apear to not be helping with the focus problems of the MK3 - wish Canon would get on with a fix lots are very dissapointed with not only the camera but the way Canon are NOT saying muct about it
Rob

Yes would have to agree, im on the verge of buying something at the minute, and the strength of this it may be a 2nd hand 1D 2N until they sort it out !

[GYRob]

Well it came yesterday but we have low cloud and drisle too so not had chance to try it out,
it is easyier to use than my mk2 no having to press 2 buttons to change everything although i keep doing that lol
a few simple tests in the garden show it to be working ok ,hope to get out soon .
Rob.

[paul goode]

Not a problem as such, but something I am quite surprised at.
My 1d mkIII works as expected with my 100-400is and kenko 1.4x tc, ie no tape on the pins, full af and reports f6.3 - f8.
However swapping the 100-400 for my Sigma 500mm f4.5 without the pins taped on the tc, sometimes the aperture reports f4.5 sometimes f6.3 but the AF is always useless. Tape the pins and everything works fine. AF is very fast but obviously the aperture reported is wrong.

So does the 1d body AF up to f8 theory only work with Canon lenses?

Paul

[IanC_UK]

Well it came yesterday but we have low cloud and drisle too so not had chance to try it out,
it is easyier to use than my mk2 no having to press 2 buttons to change everything although i keep doing that lol
a few simple tests in the garden show it to be working ok ,hope to get out soon .
Rob.

I took the plunge and got a 1D Mk3 as well, bit of an upgrade from the 20D,

Heres one i took at Gigrin on Sunday, 1d Mk3, 600 F4L and 1.4 TC, threw me a bit with the ISO of 2500 lol but then i realised it had changed it itself, not used to that happening lol

http://www.cookster.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/0819-151014-01.jpg

[postcardcv]

I took the plunge and got a 1D Mk3 as well, bit of an upgrade from the 20D,

Heres one i took at Gigrin on Sunday, 1d Mk3, 600 F4L and 1.4 TC, threw me a bit with the ISO of 2500 lol but then i realised it had changed it itself, not used to that happening lol

http://www.cookster.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/0819-151014-01.jpg

very nice... i really must get there one day soon...

[GYRob]

Not a problem as such, but something I am quite surprised at.
My 1d mkIII works as expected with my 100-400is and kenko 1.4x tc, ie no tape on the pins, full af and reports f6.3 - f8.
However swapping the 100-400 for my Sigma 500mm f4.5 without the pins taped on the tc, sometimes the aperture reports f4.5 sometimes f6.3 but the AF is always useless. Tape the pins and everything works fine. AF is very fast but obviously the aperture reported is wrong.

So does the 1d body AF up to f8 theory only work with Canon lenses?

Paul

not that im aware off it says will focus down to f8 it does NOT say only with canon lenses .
i think if that was the case they would have put a note about it .
Rob.

[IanC_UK]

very nice... i really must get there one day soon...

Thank you :) thats uncropped as well by the way !

[GYRob]

well that shot looks darn good Postcardcv ,still thick cloud our way so carnt try it yet :(
Rob.

[IanC_UK]

So does the 1d body AF up to f8 theory only work with Canon lenses?

Only thing i can think of, is the Sigma firmware needing to be updated again ?

One of the problems of being a 3rd party manufacturer, if something changes slightly on the Camera, and its not implemented 100% in the Lens, it may not report correctly.

May be talking out of me bum though, so maybe ignore me ;)

[IanC_UK]

another one, this is a bit of a crop as had taken the TC off to see how much difference in focus speed etc

http://www.cookster.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/0819-161354-04.jpg

[postcardcv]

Not a problem as such, but something I am quite surprised at.
My 1d mkIII works as expected with my 100-400is and kenko 1.4x tc, ie no tape on the pins, full af and reports f6.3 - f8.
However swapping the 100-400 for my Sigma 500mm f4.5 without the pins taped on the tc, sometimes the aperture reports f4.5 sometimes f6.3 but the AF is always useless. Tape the pins and everything works fine. AF is very fast but obviously the aperture reported is wrong.

So does the 1d body AF up to f8 theory only work with Canon lenses?

Paul

I seemed to remember another BF'er having the same issue with this lens and tc when he got a 1Ds mk II. It would be interesting to see if you still have problems when using a Sigma or Canon 1.4x tc.

[paul goode]

I seemed to remember another BF'er having the same issue with this lens and tc when he got a 1Ds mk II. It would be interesting to see if you still have problems when using a Sigma or Canon 1.4x tc.


thanks guys for the thoughts. Its no trouble obviously to leave the tape on and i'll try scrounging the use of some other tc's and see what happens.

Paul

[GYRob]

Well i finaly got out :) as i said earlyer i though my mk3 seemed ok and it did i got some great shots with it :) but its not :(
i gave it a very good test on jet's and got a few good sharp shot's but got more OOF shots .
the camera goes back to the shop tomorrow its a great camera in every other way but what good is that if your shots not sharp.
if anyone was thinking of getting one i would say waite i thought 4 months after the first problem's showed up would have been long enough to hopefully get one that works .
Not so.
Rob.

[Tannin]

Very impressed with mine. Works beatifully. In particular, I am impressed by the performance with a 500/4 and a Canon 2X converter. Setting cf III - 8 to 2 (surrounding assist points) is well worthwhile.

[paul goode]

Well, I guess those last two posts prove that its a lottery buying MkIIIs. And I reckon that stinks, are you listening Canon!!

[paul goode]

Well, I guess those last two posts prove that its a lottery buying MkIIIs. And I reckon that stinks, are you listening Canon!!

Looks as if I might get a chance to tell them


http://www.warehouseexpress.com/?/canonroadshow/seminars_Birmingham12.html

Just booked my place on the mkIII seminar

Got to say that so far in One shot and AI Servo on slowish moving subjects my mkIII is still stunning me with the results, but flight shots.... the jury's out so any help or info from the seminar I think will be good

[GYRob]

Looks as if I might get a chance to tell them


http://www.warehouseexpress.com/?/canonroadshow/seminars_Birmingham12.html

Just booked my place on the mkIII seminar

Got to say that so far in One shot and AI Servo on slowish moving subjects my mkIII is still stunning me with the results, but flight shots.... the jury's out so any help or info from the seminar I think will be good

my problem was with in A1 servo, often it worked fine but then it just would not focus even pumping the shutter button would not help .
Then when i tested it on Jets using 1/4000 sec with a 500f4 isL It was hopeless the first 10 or so shots of a burst were not sharp ,i took a cd into the shop and he said it should have got most of the shots with ease.
Rob.

[paul goode]

Hopefully yours will get sorted out and If I find anything interesting out at the seminar I'll let you know!

Paul

[GYRob]

Hopefully yours will get sorted out and If I find anything interesting out at the seminar I'll let you know!

Paul
cheers
i really like this mk3 just want it working right.
Rob.

[paul goode]

Well ,my mkIII's dead.
Took it to Duxford for the airshow and a few minutes into the Red Arrows show opening routine the shutter stopped working and Err 99 was displayed.
Took the battery out, tried resetting everything but all to no avail.

Looking into the camera with the lens off revealed the problem. Press the shutter button and the mirror goes up but the shutter stays put.

So its going back. Did I really pay the best part of 3 grand for this complete pile of garbage?

Not happy, not happy at all. :-C

[GYRob]

Well ,my mkIII's dead.
Took it to Duxford for the airshow and a few minutes into the Red Arrows show opening routine the shutter stopped working and Err 99 was displayed.
Took the battery out, tried resetting everything but all to no avail.

Looking into the camera with the lens off revealed the problem. Press the shutter button and the mirror goes up but the shutter stays put.

So its going back. Did I really pay the best part of 3 grand for this complete pile of garbage?

Not happy, not happy at all. :-C

Sorry to hear this and of this problem not come across this one before, i do know how you feel though paying out a fair bit of cash and the dam things in the post going back .
Canon are loseing a lot of respect over this MK3 thats for sure.
Rob.

[Keith Reeder]

Bugger, that's a shocker, Paul.

As Rob says, this seems like a new problem, so it seems possible that you've just been really unlucky with a one-off component failure - these things happen - but it's still a sickener on a brand new (in both senses of the word) camera.

[Ragna]

Paul what a bummer take it back to the Warehouse express canon seminar and they may exchage it.Good luck.

[GYRob]

Paul what a bummer take it back to the Warehouse express canon seminar and they may exchage it.Good luck.

That sounds like a good ider on the face of it But if Paul was happy with the AF and i think he was then it may be a risk to change it for another one at leased the shutter problem should have no efect on the AF once it's fixed.
Rob.

[paul goode]

That sounds like a good ider on the face of it But if Paul was happy with the AF and i think he was then it may be a risk to change it for another one at leased the shutter problem should have no efect on the AF once it's fixed.
Rob.

That thought had crossed my mind as well, but as it came from AJ Purdy it may not go down too well ;)

Even more annoyingly the sequence of Red Arrow shots before the shutter jammed are rather nicely in focus!

It'll have to be a test of AJ Purdy customer service and so far I've found them to be very good so hopefully this will be quickly sorted.

[Keith Reeder]

Paul,

Purdy's were as good as gold about my shutter failure, as were Canon.

You'll be fine.

[paul goode]

Paul,

Purdy's were as good as gold about my shutter failure, as were Canon.

You'll be fine.

Thanks for that Keith, thats encouraging .

[NickRno77]

Well ,my mkIII's dead.
Took it to Duxford for the airshow and a few minutes into the Red Arrows show opening routine the shutter stopped working and Err 99 was displayed.
Took the battery out, tried resetting everything but all to no avail.

Looking into the camera with the lens off revealed the problem. Press the shutter button and the mirror goes up but the shutter stays put.

So its going back. Did I really pay the best part of 3 grand for this complete pile of garbage?

Not happy, not happy at all. :-C
Hi Paul, sorry to hear you had a problem with the MKIII. If AJ Purdy won't swap the camera out I would advise you send it in to Canon, in my experience with AJ Purdy I wouldn't trust them to get the camera fixed quickly , they seem a bit "slap dash" . If you are a CPS member they will turn it around fairly quickly.
Its rumoured that Firmware v1.1.1 due out soon is meant to fix some AF Issues, probably AI-SERVO shooting in very bright light, contrasty conditions and error 99.

FYI Paul and Rob
I was at Duxford Saturday, the MKIII performed really well as far as AF is concerned, I used AI-SERVO centre point, AF CF.n III-8 0 (no assist point), also turned the AF Sensitivity to MAX, these settings seem to work better for me, made the camera acquire focus even quicker than standard settings.

The weather was not good, was overcast:C all day till the 5 spitfires came out.

Good luck

[GYRob]

Hi Paul, sorry to hear you had a problem with the MKIII. If AJ Purdy won't swap the camera out I would advise you send it in to Canon, in my experience with AJ Purdy I wouldn't trust them to get the camera fixed quickly , they seem a bit "slap dash" . If you are a CPS member they will turn it around fairly quickly.
Its rumoured that Firmware v1.1.1 due out soon is meant to fix some AF Issues, probably AI-SERVO shooting in very bright light, contrasty conditions and error 99.

FYI Paul and Rob
I was at Duxford Saturday, the MKIII performed really well as far as AF is concerned, I used AI-SERVO centre point, AF CF.n III-8 0 (no assist point), also turned the AF Sensitivity to MAX, these settings seem to work better for me, made the camera acquire focus even quicker than standard settings.

The weather was not good, was overcast:C all day till the 5 spitfires came out.

Good luck
intresting thoes setting's were one i had set and gave a good try and it was not good, it did get some in focus but most were just out of focus .
But it was a very warm day and not a cloud in the sky -this is said to cause a problem -your day was cloudy and by the sounds of it you got good results.
hope you get to try it on jets on a very bright day .
Rob.

[NickRno77]

intresting thoes setting's were one i had set and gave a good try and it was not good, it did get some in focus but most were just out of focus .
But it was a very warm day and not a cloud in the sky -this is said to cause a problem -your day was cloudy and by the sounds of it you got good results.
hope you get to try it on jets on a very bright day .
Rob.

Rob, Would be good to test on a Sunny day with Jets, I may get to Old Warden in a couple of weeks and try out they usually have a couple of jets showing. The reason I turned the AF sensitivity to max was when I was taking some pics of birds in the Garden moving the camera around left to right in AI-SERVO the focus delayed a little trying to focus close then far away, close, far away if you know what I mean, turned the C.Fn III-2 to +2 made the delay a lot less so thinking about it logically should make the focus quicker to changes? I may be wrong.

[Keith Reeder]

Err 99 was displayed.

Paul,

have you seen this?

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=376240

[paul goode]

Paul,

have you seen this?

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=376240

Interesting, but i think a different fault. Everything worked with mine apart from the shutter which I think is physically stuck. Anyway its already being sorted at Canon's repair centre, so hopefully it will soon be solved.
By the way AJ Purdy were great, honestly said it was best for me to send it straight back to Canon, and gave me all the help I needed to get the camera registered onto Canon's system and for me to avoid Canon's 'European' call centre!

Paul

[Keith Reeder]

Good to know, Paul.

[paul goode]

Looks as if I might get a chance to tell them


http://www.warehouseexpress.com/?/canonroadshow/seminars_Birmingham12.html

Just booked my place on the mkIII seminar

Got to say that so far in One shot and AI Servo on slowish moving subjects my mkIII is still stunning me with the results, but flight shots.... the jury's out so any help or info from the seminar I think will be good

just got back and it was quite interesting. As someone going up from a 20d to a 1d body some of the tips on CF settings were useful.

I suppose the most interesting points in relation to the waffle that other forums indulge in were:

Canon do accept there are 'issues' with mkIII and AI Servo.

Firmware 1.1.1 does exist but won't be released until late september at earliest, which I hope means someone in Japan is burning the midnight oil big time to sort this!

This is only the opinion of the chap doing the seminar but when asked directly about the fault being hardware not firmware he replied that Canon had held their hands up before (24-105?) and recalled the product and didn't see this being any different, but, and this is my take on it, implied that if that was the case Canon would already have done that

Paul

[NickRno77]

just got back and it was quite interesting. As someone going up from a 20d to a 1d body some of the tips on CF settings were useful.

I suppose the most interesting points in relation to the waffle that other forums indulge in were:

Canon do accept there are 'issues' with mkIII and AI Servo.

Firmware 1.1.1 does exist but won't be released until late september at earliest, which I hope means someone in Japan is burning the midnight oil big time to sort this!

This is only the opinion of the chap doing the seminar but when asked directly about the fault being hardware not firmware he replied that Canon had held their hands up before (24-105?) and recalled the product and didn't see this being any different, but, and this is my take on it, implied that if that was the case Canon would already have done that

Paul
Paul, Thanks for letting us know about this, looks like all the waffle about AI-SERVO problems with the MKIII are true, this is the nearest I have seen to a statement coming from Canon admitting there are issues with OOF AF and the MKIII.

Cheers

[GYRob]

Rob, Would be good to test on a Sunny day with Jets, I may get to Old Warden in a couple of weeks and try out they usually have a couple of jets showing. The reason I turned the AF sensitivity to max was when I was taking some pics of birds in the Garden moving the camera around left to right in AI-SERVO the focus delayed a little trying to focus close then far away, close, far away if you know what I mean, turned the C.Fn III-2 to +2 made the delay a lot less so thinking about it logically should make the focus quicker to changes? I may be wrong.

i think your right that the faster setting should be better because even if you lose the target it should reaquier it quicker once you get back onto it .
Athough i do think you have to be a bit more accurate or quicker yourself to get the best out of it .
i want my camera to not only act but be as quick as posible in use THEN its up to me to get the focus point on the subject .
Rob.

[paul goode]

i think your right that the faster setting should be better because even if you lose the target it should reaquier it quicker once you get back onto it .
Athough i do think you have to be a bit more accurate or quicker yourself to get the best out of it .
i want my camera to not only act but be as quick as posible in use THEN its up to me to get the focus point on the subject .
Rob.


Not sure. the canon guy at the seminar said he only knew of one pro shooting formula one who used +2. He recommended 0 or -1 for most mere mortals and said that +2 and centre point only was not a recipe for success!

[paul goode]

Paul, Thanks for letting us know about this, looks like all the waffle about AI-SERVO problems with the MKIII are true, this is the nearest I have seen to a statement coming from Canon admitting there are issues with OOF AF and the MKIII.

Cheers


Don't get too excited Nick. I carefully used the word issue, as did the Canon guy. Is the issue the camera or the person using it? He explained that the AF in the mkIII is brand new and needs different techniques to get the best out of compared to anything thats gone before. So the issue could be with the operator!

However, his opening line was for people with 'issues' to see him afterwards and immediately mentioned the new firmware which had been Beta tested at Osaka, so that implies the 'issue' is with the camera!

In fairness the guy works for canon and his hardly going to stand up and make an earth shattering announcement at what is effectively a sales seminar.

[NickRno77]

Don't get too excited Nick. I carefully used the word issue, as did the Canon guy. Is the issue the camera or the person using it? He explained that the AF in the mkIII is brand new and needs different techniques to get the best out of compared to anything thats gone before. So the issue could be with the operator!

However, his opening line was for people with 'issues' to see him afterwards and immediately mentioned the new firmware which had been Beta tested at Osaka, so that implies the 'issue' is with the camera!

In fairness the guy works for canon and his hardly going to stand up and make an earth shattering announcement at what is effectively a sales seminar.
Paul, I'm not really that excited,;) I don't have AF issues with the MKIII 99% of the time so is not a massive deal for me. Saying that I'm coming from a 30D and most of the waffling as far as I can make out is coming from MKII users so if there is a fix things can only get better for me a far as AF and Image Quality.

Its interesting that the Canon guy appears to be implying the AF issues with this camera are still operator related after all this time.

C.Fn III-2:- I mostly set the AF Sensitivity to 0 mid setting up till last weekend obviously setting C.Fn III-2 +2 is going to rely on the skill of the operator to nail the focus point on the subject continuously, I am not sure if I am capable of doing this but IMO for fast moving objects like Motorcycles, Planes and Some Birds maybe the best option?

P.S. Les Zigurski, "Wildlife Shooters Guide to Using the Canon 1D Mark III" is a very interesting read and has gone into C.Fn III-2 setting extensively, he has been very positive about the MKIII is I must say is quite refreshing.

http://www.wildlifeimagesbyles.net/Technique/1DIII_Guide/1diii_guide.html

Cheers

[NickRno77]

i think your right that the faster setting should be better because even if you lose the target it should reaquier it quicker once you get back onto it .
Athough i do think you have to be a bit more accurate or quicker yourself to get the best out of it .
i want my camera to not only act but be as quick as posible in use THEN its up to me to get the focus point on the subject .
Rob.
Rob, this is how I see it as well.

Cheers

[paul goode]

Paul, I'm not really that excited,;)

Its interesting that the Canon guy appears to be implying the AF issues with this camera are still operator related after all this time.

C.Fn III-2:- I mostly set the AF Sensitivity to 0 mid setting up till last weekend obviously setting C.Fn III-2 +2 is going to rely on the skill of the operator to nail the focus point on the subject continuously, I am not sure if I am capable of doing this but IMO for fast moving objects like Motorcycles, Planes and Some Birds maybe the best option?

Cheers


hi nick.

Maybe my last post was too vague. What he said was CPN had done a lot of work with pro shooters to get them up to speed and maybe Canon hadn't done enough to help the man in the street.

He suggested operator error was a cause of some problems but ,as I said he very quickly referred to 1.1.1 which must imply there is a problem which is NOT operator error.

He spent a fair bit of time on CFIII-2 pointing out that it controls tracking sensitivity which is actually how frequently the camera sends out signals to update the af subject but does not control the predictive focus side of AI Servo.

For instance Robs jet should not need a vast stream of new data to maintain focus, the predictive focus should do that by itself so setting a slow setting should be the way to go. Too much data could lead to the af wandering off. Its agreed that a high level of skill is needed to keep the af point bang on the target ALL time. It only takes one reading to come back to the camera from the torrent of data for it to refocus.

A hyperactive Kangaroo on speed may well need the setting upping because the subject won't be where the camera expects it to be and so primary focus will quickly be lost and will need to be regained quickly, so the high sensitivity setting will overide the predictive focus. Inevitably this scenario and setting will lead to many missed focus shots.

Thats my take on it anyway ;)

[paul goode]

i want my camera to not only act but be as quick as posible in use THEN its up to me to get the focus point on the subject .
Rob.


The Canon guy actually made the point that so many guys coming over from mkIIns had automatically set +2 because fast = quick af = good. He categorically said NO! CFIII -2 +2 is the fastest way to move the focus not to get a focus lock.

[JCL]

Given all these problems with the MarkIII, am I better off getting a MarkII (new, if I can find one, or 2nd hand from anyone happy with their Mark III and selling their II)? ie are the other new features worth it?

[GYRob]

The Canon guy actually made the point that so many guys coming over from mkIIns had automatically set +2 because fast = quick af = good. He categorically said NO! CFIII -2 +2 is the fastest way to move the focus not to get a focus lock.

LOOK'S like i need to do yet more testing when my mk3 gets back ,i can see the logic in the above and jets are not to hard to keep a focus point on .
being a mk2 user i did indeed set cfIII to fast as that too seems logical .
Mr SPOCK would know what to do:-O
Rob.

[GYRob]

Given all these problems with the MarkIII, am I better off getting a MarkII (new, if I can find one, or 2nd hand from anyone happy with their Mark III and selling their II)? ie are the other new features worth it?

yes they are worth it but i would waite and see what becomes of a FIX as the mk3 is really next to usless as it is
plenty of people who have a dam good ider about what there doing are not happy and many have tried all settings .
i have tried settings that i thought would work but they didn't give concisdent
results- you just never could tell if the shot you just took was in Sharp focus-yes it was close but not sharp.
Rob.

[Duke Leto]

in a photographic magazine in the UK this month there is an article by a top photo journalist who owns 3 MkIII bodies and he says that the reported problems don't exist!!

[paul goode]

in a photographic magazine in the UK this month there is an article by a top photo journalist who owns 3 MkIII bodies and he says that the reported problems don't exist!!

I'm sure there are thousands of owners out there who are totally happy. The number of people with problems on forums is miniscule compared to the number of units sold. And taking the early completely duff units out of the equation, the problem now seems to have come down to AIServo being used in a certain way. A PJ grabbing shots in a difficult situation may love how the AF repositions itself quickly, a sports shooter tracking an athelete may not be quite as pleased!

I do wonder if Canon aren't rushing 1.1.1 out because they don't want to sort out the noisy minority and then find the silent majority don't like the new firmware?

All I know is, ignoring what I called it on Sunday when I was in a less than good mood, I'm really missing mine and want it back!

[paul goode]

Yippeeee!!

Just had a call from Canon. All fixed and I'm off to pick it up.

Got to say I think that is pretty good service!

[Keith Reeder]

Excellent news, Paul.

[postcardcv]

Yippeeee!!

Just had a call from Canon. All fixed and I'm off to pick it up.

Got to say I think that is pretty good service!

Great news - good to see that it was sorted out so quickly.

[NickRno77]

Yippeeee!!

Just had a call from Canon. All fixed and I'm off to pick it up.

Got to say I think that is pretty good service!

Paul, That is good news, that was quick, which Canon service centre did you send it to?

Cheers

[GYRob]

Yippeeee!!

Just had a call from Canon. All fixed and I'm off to pick it up.

Got to say I think that is pretty good service!

WELL that is quick looks like they fixed yours ahead of mine and i was first -its not fair ;) lol
Hope its fine now Paul and check out what firmware it has .
Rob.

[paul goode]

Nick,

It went back to Elstree. I rang Lehmanns first but they're not yet handling mkIIIs. Apparently they recieve software and training in a couple of weeks time.

Rob,

When I booked it in I requested a quick turnaround and did ring everyday to check progress which is what Purdy's suggested. Maybe the bodies with af issues will be kept until 1.1.1 is released ;) Mines still 1.1.0 but thats what I expected following what the guy said at the seminar.

[GYRob]

Nick,

It went back to Elstree. I rang Lehmanns first but they're not yet handling mkIIIs. Apparently they recieve software and training in a couple of weeks time.

Rob,

When I booked it in I requested a quick turnaround and did ring everyday to check progress which is what Purdy's suggested. Maybe the bodies with af issues will be kept until 1.1.1 is released ;) Mines still 1.1.0 but thats what I expected following what the guy said at the seminar.

ah i was hopeing that 1.1.1 was going to be loaded .
Now just look after it this time ;)
Rob.

[Keith Reeder]

Now just look after it this time

Or we're going to take it off you!!

;)

[Ragna]

Paul good news about the camera ive used Elstree earlier in the year and found their turnround time excellent.

[paul goode]

thanks guys for the thoughts. Its no trouble obviously to leave the tape on and i'll try scrounging the use of some other tc's and see what happens.

Paul

Just in case anybody is interested I borrowed a sigma 1.4x and tried that without taped pins. No AF at all. Its as if that combination shuts the af down. Which only leaves a canon tc and I'm not sure that will fit the Sigma 500mm.

Slightly baffled

Paul
Edit: Sigma's data sheet states mf only for this combination so maybe it isn't a surprise that it is!

[GYRob]

Well iv got my mk3 back still 1.10 fw -they say the have ajusted focus and ajusted AF SYSTEM .
The camera is no worse from the test,s iv done and i got some good results in very poor light but untill i try it on Jets i wont know if its any better .
Hopefully next week .
Rob.

[paul goode]

The internet rumour mill seems to have gone into overdrive. Canon USA appear to have announced a hardware fix by replacing a sub mirror, whatever that is , and have issued a tel no for people to call in and book cameras in for repair.

[NickRno77]

The internet rumour mill seems to have gone into overdrive. Canon USA appear to have announced a hardware fix by replacing a sub mirror, whatever that is , and have issued a tel no for people to call in and book cameras in for repair.
Yep I've seen that to, I wonder how long Canon UK will take cotton on
:eek!::eek!::eek!: someone has already rang them and they deny any knowledge of this, maybe he spoke to the wrong person?

Cheers

[paul goode]

Saw that as well Nick ,but on another forum someone else reckons they spoke to the call centre and all camera's are being recalled!

I've emailed a contact in canon so I'll wait and see. Ringing elstree would be far more sensible than the call centre anyway. If the info was leaked in USA then its probably best to wait for UK to have an official answer.

Paul

[NickRno77]

Saw that as well Nick ,but on another forum someone else reckons they spoke to the call centre and all camera's are being recalled!

I've emailed a contact in canon so I'll wait and see. Ringing elstree would be far more sensible than the call centre anyway. If the info was leaked in USA then its probably best to wait for UK to have an official answer.

Paul
Paul, I will probably wait for things to calm down a bit before sending mine in, I have only experienced a few problems with mine usually trying to lock on to a small object in bright sunlight so is no big deal for me. I will take it in for peace of mind, mind you most people that are not happy have had MKII's, I'm coming from Nikon and 30D so perhaps I'm missing out on something. If the AF performs better and my keeper rate go's up for my style of shooting that will be a bonus:t:

Cheers

[paul goode]

Paul, I will probably wait for things to calm down a bit before sending mine in, I have only experienced a few problems with mine usually trying to lock on to a small object in bright sunlight so is no big deal for me. I will take it in for peace of mind, mind you most people that are not happy have had MKII's, I'm coming from Nikon and 30D so perhaps I'm missing out on something. If the AF performs better and my keeper rate go's up for my style of shooting that will be a bonus:t:

Cheers

Agree with you Nick that I won't rush. I've not found big problems to date either, just a few frames where the focus is slightly off for no apparent reason.
It is official though, this is on Rob Galbraith's site http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-8740-9068-9129

Paul

[postcardcv]

Agree with you Nick that I won't rush. I've not found big problems to date either, just a few frames where the focus is slightly off for no apparent reason.

I can think of one or two posible reasons... ;)

[GYRob]

i hope the new one there getting me has the fix or it will have to go back again :(
Rob.

[paul goode]

I can think of one or two posible reasons... ;)


I suppose I left myself wide open to that one 8-P

[Duke Leto]

run into a chap yesterday with A mkIII round his neck at a RSPB ABB event, he said that he was on his 2nd body as the 1st one failed Error 0, something to do with the auto cleaning?? but happy with his 2nd and I got to have a little play :o) the live view seemed to work okay, not sure how much of a benefit it really is unless your hiding and don't want to look through the viewfinder.