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Grampy Bustard

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Morning Gentlemen
I have a small Tortrix that I believe to be Spatalistis bifasciana (1034). As this appears to be fairly unusual, can anyone out there confirm the ID or tell me what it really is?
 

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Grampy Bustard said:
Morning Gentlemen
I have a small Tortrix that I believe to be Spatalistis bifasciana (1034). As this appears to be fairly unusual, can anyone out there confirm the ID or tell me what it really is?

Good morning Grampy,

It certainly seems to be this species, see

http://jeffhiggott.topcities.com/lepidoptera/systematic_list/Tortricidae/1034.html

However, in general terms the distribution of most micro's is far from well known and although it may be listed as Nb this may not in fact reflect it's true status. Your specimen certainly matches the description and colour plate in my copy of British Tortricoid Moths by Bradley et.al. There is nothing else that closely resembles it. I would get your County Recorder to verify it, if you still have the specimen.

Harry
 
harry eales said:
Good morning Grampy,

It certainly seems to be this species, see

http://jeffhiggott.topcities.com/lepidoptera/systematic_list/Tortricidae/1034.html

However, in general terms the distribution of most micro's is far from well known and although it may be listed as Nb this may not in fact reflect it's true status. Your specimen certainly matches the description and colour plate in my copy of British Tortricoid Moths by Bradley et.al. There is nothing else that closely resembles it. I would get your County Recorder to verify it, if you still have the specimen.

Harry

Thanks Harry. I can't see that it is anything else. The Moths of Hampshire suggest it is rare or overlooked, so perhaps the latter is more likely, and yes I still have the specimen.

Just a thought on specimens, what more can be gained from a specimen when the photos seem to be sufficient? Presumably this might be justified if it's a gonads job, but I couldn't do that...
Thanks again.
 
Grampy Bustard said:
Thanks Harry. I can't see that it is anything else. The Moths of Hampshire suggest it is rare or overlooked, so perhaps the latter is more likely, and yes I still have the specimen.

Just a thought on specimens, what more can be gained from a specimen when the photos seem to be sufficient? Presumably this might be justified if it's a gonads job, but I couldn't do that...
Thanks again.

Hi Grampy,
I wasn't suggesting a nads job, just a second opinion and verification by your County Recorder. Nads jobs should only be done when it is the only way to settle a dispute over several similar or possible species, not on one that is very distinctive.

Harry
 
Yep, my first rarity

I have had it verified locally, in the flesh at it were, and it seems it is the first for Dorset since one at Bloxworth (of Snout fame) in 1890. B :) A celebratory pint I think....
 
Grampy Bustard said:
I have had it verified locally, in the flesh at it were, and it seems it is the first for Dorset since one at Bloxworth (of Snout fame) in 1890. B :) A celebratory pint I think....

Oi! Grampy,
Thats a pint you owe me if I ever get down your way.

Harry
 
Grampy Bustard said:

Thanks Grampy,

I think your money is pretty safe, I haven't been in your neck of the woods for 40 years. Mind you I wouldn't mind a bottle of good whiskey for Christmas.
lol.

Harry.
 
Grampy Bustard said:
Thanks Harry. I can't see that it is anything else. The Moths of Hampshire suggest it is rare or overlooked, so perhaps the latter is more likely, and yes I still have the specimen.

Just a thought on specimens, what more can be gained from a specimen when the photos seem to be sufficient? Presumably this might be justified if it's a gonads job, but I couldn't do that...
Thanks again.

Looks OK to me, too. See my (not very good pic) at http://www.bike2nature.co.uk/moths/moth_1034.htm. It tends to occur in ancient oak woodland around me, so I'd say it was local, rather than rare per se.
 
Hi Harry / Mike
Had it accepted by County Micro recorder, who advises one found in NE of Dorset last year and found in several places so far this year. As you say, probably more overlooked than records suggest. Still a goodie for the garden....

Good site, and yes I did find your picture, which helped me ID it in the first place. Not actually on UK Moths, but I have sent them piccies taken outside the glass tube, so may be now.
 
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