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Bats carry rabies? (1 Viewer)

Anthony Morton

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'Alert over bat found with killer strain of rabies' is the self-explanatory headline of an artice on page 16 of today's Daily Mail. It concerns an injured female Daubenton's bat which, when it later died, was found to be carrying (quote) "...the same strain of rabies that killed wildlife artist and bat specialist David McRae in Scotland two years ago," The advice is that there is no risk to humans if they are neither approached or handled.
 
Anthony Morton said:
'Alert over bat found with killer strain of rabies' is the self-explanatory headline of an artice on page 16 of today's Daily Mail. It concerns an injured female Daubenton's bat which, when it later died, was found to be carrying (quote) "...the same strain of rabies that killed wildlife artist and bat specialist David McRae in Scotland two years ago," The advice is that there is no risk to humans if they are neither approached or handled.

Further to Anthony's post - if you have a bat related query (particularly welfare) please refer to the Bat Conservancy people in the first instance rather than individual bat workers.
 
Bats have been carrying rabies to and fro across the channel for centuries (if not Millenia). There is a small elememnt of risk to people like bat-workers but they should be able to get the vaccine anyway.

Whilst it is perfectly conceivible that rabies could re-enter our terretrial mammalian fauna from wild dead bats it doesn't seem to have occured.

As it's illegal to handle bats without licence (except to take in an injured bat for reabilitation etc) then the risk to the public should be virtualy non-existent. It's always of interest to hear about these cases though.

Lee.
 
Actually, if I remember correctly, the strain of rabies found in european bats is rather host specific and probbaly COULDN'T spread to our terrestrial fauna. It could probably kill any mammal it infected but I don't think it is capable of laying dormant in anything other than bats so any infection should burn itself out.

Lee
 
if bats can be infected with rabies, do you think it will affect birds of prey witch occasionally eat bats?
 
LAF said:
Actually, if I remember correctly, the strain of rabies found in european bats is rather host specific and probbaly COULDN'T spread to our terrestrial fauna. It could probably kill any mammal it infected but I don't think it is capable of laying dormant in anything other than bats so any infection should burn itself out.

Lee

Hi Lee,

Thanks for the information and doubly so for putting this matter into context. The article I read wasn't exactly front page banner headlines but it was certainly written to provoke a reaction. We have all heard the scare stories surrounding rabies being brought into the UK by pets, or even by foxes finding their way through the Channel Tunnel, but this was the first time I had seen bats quoted as a potential carrier. Fortunately it sounds as though we've got nearly as much chance of being bitten by a daffodil as a rabies-infected bat!

Anthony
 
(Some) Bats carry rabies. A little information for clarity.

The death from rabies of a bat conservationist in Dundee last year was the first fatality since 1902 from rabies acquired in the United Kingdom. The lethal virus, isolated from brain tissue at autopsy, was not the classical rabies virus but a closely related negative stranded RNA virus, the European bat lyssavirus type 2.1 The genus lyssavirus, named after the Greek for "frenzy," includes the classic rabies virus, two European bat lyssaviruses, an Australian bat lyssavirus, and the African Duvenhage virus, all of which produce a similar fatal encephalomyelitis in humans
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Rabies is mainly transmitted in saliva during a bite from an infected animal. In the United Kingdom classic rabies was eliminated from the animal reservoir in the 1920s, and the 20 or so deaths reported since then resulted from infection acquired overseas, usually from dog bites.2 European bat lyssavirus has its natural reservoir in bats, mainly the serotine bat (Eptesicus serotinus) for European bat lyssavirus type 1, and the pond bat (Myotis dasycneme) and Daubenton's bat (Myotis daubentonii) for European bat lyssavirus type 2. Serotine bats are uncommon in Britain, and the pond bat is not found. Between 1977 and 2000 around 600 cases of infection with European bat lyssavirus were confirmed in bats in mainland Europe. By contrast a passive surveillance programme in the United Kingdom, involving about 2000 bats over 15 years, disclosed only two infected animals, in Sussex in 1996 and in Lancashire in 2002.3 This indicates that European bat lyssavirus may be endemic in the United Kingdom, as in mainland Europe, but at a low level.

Both infected bats (Now 3 as of today's date)found in the United Kingdom were Daubenton's bats, although only small numbers of this particular species had been tested. Daubenton's bat, one of 16 bat species resident in Britain, rarely roosts in houses and rarely comes into contact with people. The two bat species most commonly found roosting in British houses, pipistrelles (Pipistrellus species) and long eared bats (Plecotus auritus), have not been found to harbour European bat lyssavirus so far. Consequently the risk of a member of the public coming into contact with an infected bat seems very low. Even so bats, particularly if they are sick or injured, should not be handled. All bats are protected species, under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, and it is unlawful to harm them or their roosts.



In both Europe and Australia, bat lyssaviruses seem to be maintained only in indigenous bat populations, although European bat lyssavirus has been detected in a few sheep and in a stone marten, which is an arboreal mammal.4 European bat lyssavirus has been responsible for four deaths since 19771 and Australian bat lyssavirus for two deaths since first being described in 1996.5 Rabies infection, once clinically manifest, is invariably fatal. It is preventable by immunisation. Current recommendations in the United Kingdom are that all persons handling bats should be immunised.6 The bat conservationist who died in Scotland had not been immunised. More than 1000 volunteers in the United Kingdom are handling bats regularly for conservation and welfare and therefore should all be immunised against rabies. Other occupations or recreational activities bringing people into close contact with bats might also justify immunisation. Currently available vaccines are safe and effective against both bat lyssaviruses and the classic rabies virus.

Derrick Pounder, professor of forensic medicine. [size=-1] Department of Forensic Medicine, University of Dundee, Dundee DD1 4HN

Regards

Malky
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I can add much to the above post, except to say, as someone with a licence to handle bats, the risk is extremely small and only then if a bat was specifically handled, which many members of the public won't do. Since Daubentons are primarily tunnel , cave and tree roosters they rarely come into contact with people anyway.

The advice not to handle bats is sensible, and I'd agree - if you find a grounded bat or bats in your house, contact the Bat Conservation Trust, your local bat group or English Nature/CCW/SNH.

Stories like this (and it had to be The Daily Mail) make our job harder, and the evidence is that the risks, even to bat workers, is ludicrously low.
 
Hi Malky and Nelbert.

Thanks for your very informative postings. I may have missed something but how do the bats become infected with rabies?

Regards,

Anthony
 
Cheers for that Malky, I had a lovely pink coloured rabies jab (or three) a couple of years back prior to doing some fieldwork in Indonesia. At the time it never occured to me to check what lyssaviruses it did or didn't cover. The note on modern jabs being polyvalent to classic and bat lyssaviruses is quite reassuring!

Anthony, I would have to presume that the bat lyssaviruses are spread from bat to bat and that infection in the bat isn't immediately catatrophic like it is in humans.
 
Since buying and assembling my bat detector, I have been digging a little more into the subject of bats and accompanying information.
Regarding the rabies factor, I found the following which I did not know :-
"The only well-documented documented cases of rabies caused by human-to-human transmission occurred among 8 recipients of transplanted corneas, and recently among three recipients of solid organs ([font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]see MMWR article[/size][/font]). Guidelines for acceptance of suitable cornea and organ donations, as well as the rarity of human rabies in the United States, reduce this risk. In addition to transmission from cornea and organ transplants, bite and non-bite exposures inflicted by infected humans could theoretically transmit rabies, but no such cases have been documented."
You learn something new every day.

The bat detector seems to work fine. I just need to find more species to learn about the different frequencies.

Regards

Malky
 
'if bats can be infected with rabies, do you think it will affect birds of prey witch
occasionally eat bats?'

Hi Salty
I stumbled across this thread and found it most interesting but didn't see an answer to your above querie ( soory guys if I missed it).
My understanding , Salty is that there has been no record of rabies being recorded in birds which has been picked up naturally. Although I believe it has on at least one occaision been intrioduced to a bird experimentally. I did read this latter point on a rather obscure web site so remain a little sceptical. My assumption is that Rabies is a disease which effects mammals only. It woud be interesting to have my comments clarrified in a more scientific manner as you will see I am no expert in this field.
Brian
 
saw the day-time flying bat again today, are they not supposed to burst into flame when sunlight hits them? :'D
 
salty said:
saw the day-time flying bat again today, are they not supposed to burst into flame when sunlight hits them? :'D
Was this non-flammable Bat a large one Salty?
I've seen Noctule bat here flying during the day, just once or twice a year, high and in a straight line.
Quite a sight when you don't expect it!

P.S. Rats carry Babies also.
 
Gerry Hooper said:
Was this non-flammable Bat a large one Salty?
I've seen Noctule bat here flying during the day, just once or twice a year, high and in a straight line.
Quite a sight when you don't expect it!

P.S. Rats carry Babies also.

couldnt really give a acurate size, but it seemed to match the size of a sparrow - maybe a pippestrelle?
 
Just a small update.

Talking to a bat enthusiast/expert a couple of evenings ago. It would seem that some UK bats are now carrying rabies anti-bodies. Further research is going on at present.

Regards

Malky
 
alcedo.atthis said:
Just a small update.

Talking to a bat enthusiast/expert a couple of evenings ago. It would seem that some UK bats are now carrying rabies anti-bodies. Further research is going on at present.

Regards

Malky

Hi Malky,

I hope this isn't a daft question but does this imply that the bats carrying the rabies anti-bodies have developed them by building up a form of self-immunisation after contracting a mild dose of rabies?

Regards,

Anthony
 
"Hi Malky,
I hope this isn't a daft question but does this imply that the bats carrying the rabies anti-bodies have developed them by building up a form of self-immunisation after contracting a mild dose of rabies?

Regards,

Anthony"

Anthony, not sure of the mechanics of the sequence of events, but how you put it, would seem, on the face of it to be basically correct. It seems that the transfer from bat to bat may be saliva linked at roosts. I am digging further into any published or unpublished documents at present. If I uncover anything further of interest, I will post it. This subject has now my attention.

Regards

Malky.
 
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