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Ivory-billed Woodpecker (formerly updates) (8 Viewers)

MMinNY said:
From past experience, I don't think he's likely to answer on the forum. If you PM him with questions, you may get some answers.

Well, with several people inquiring about the photo, I would think Bill could give us all some more details out in the open. Nobody is asking for location.

Afterall, he did give us some of his thoughts on post #5916. I don't see how some followup information concerning the circumstances surrounding the IBWO picture would hurt.
 
gws said:
Well, with several people inquiring about the photo, I would think Bill could give us all some more details out in the open. Nobody is asking for location.

Afterall, he did give us some of his thoughts on post #5916. I don't see how some followup information concerning the circumstances surrounding the IBWO picture would hurt.

Are we seriously talking about this photo?.
 
Big Phil said:
Are we seriously talking about this photo?.

Unfortunately, some contributors are discussing it. Just your typical Ivory-billed (male) exploring its typical habitat (an orange tree with mature fruit). Why bother asking about the details of the picture (location, date taken, etc.)?

It is clearly an Ivory-billed. Nothing to see here. Let's move on to obscure, pixelated blobs that might or not might be a limb...If only we could understand the geometrics of long-shore waves and their relationship to kayaks in bayous.

Later...
olivacea
 
olivacea said:
Unfortunately, some contributors are discussing it. Just your typical Ivory-billed (male) exploring its typical habitat (an orange tree with mature fruit). Why bother asking about the details of the picture (location, date taken, etc.)?

It is clearly an Ivory-billed. Nothing to see here. Let's move on to obscure, pixelated blobs that might or not might be a limb...If only we could understand the geometrics of long-shore waves and their relationship to kayaks in bayous.

Later...
olivacea


|:d| I see!.

Its a good thing the photographer had the presence of mind to set his camera on 300 x 225 pixels, too much detail just detracts from the subject matter I always think....
 
olivacea said:
Unfortunately, some contributors are discussing it. Just your typical Ivory-billed (male) exploring its typical habitat (an orange tree with mature fruit). Why bother asking about the details of the picture (location, date taken, etc.)?

It is clearly an Ivory-billed. Nothing to see here. Let's move on to obscure, pixelated blobs that might or not might be a limb...If only we could understand the geometrics of long-shore waves and their relationship to kayaks in bayous.

Later...
olivacea

I'm not sure I understand the sarcasm. If people are sarcastic, I think that will likely turn him away from wanting to discuss further. Isn't discussing the point of this forum?

also,

Originally posted by Big Phil
"Its a good thing the photographer had the presence of mind to set his camera on 300 x 225 pixels, too much detail just detracts from the subject matter I always think...."

I do have a question about this. Originally when the photo was posted, it was a lower resolution (200 something I believe) but it was changed to the current. Is there a full resolution image available? I hope that asking a question in this manner is more appropriate than the hogwash I'm quoting. C'mon people.
 
bebirder said:
Bill, I really wanna add an Ivory- Billed Woodpecker to my life list, can you take me to see one?

That's sad.
Have you been birding long? What's the North America list at? 699? It would be nice to make the IBW your 700th, wouldn't it?
 
Snowy1 said:
I'm not sure I understand the sarcasm. If people are sarcastic, I think that will likely turn him away from wanting to discuss further. Isn't discussing the point of this forum?
Unfortunately, there are some children here just for recreational purposes.
 
bebirder said:
Bill, I really wanna add an Ivory- Billed Woodpecker to my life list, can you take me to see one?

I see you just joined birdforum today and this is your first post.

What makes you so interested in the IBWO?

Have you read the 'updates' forum from the beginning yet?

What made you choose to put your first post in this thread?

Oh, and Welcome.
 
fangsheath said:
I would be interested in seeing a reference on the biological surveys on the acquisition area.

Fang; I have little information on this area, which I do not know personally. However there is some basic information from 2002, on Audubon's Important Bird Areas website: http://www.audubon.org/bird/iba/florida/southern_peninsula.pdf#search='Important%20Bird%20Areas%20Charlotte%20County'

At that time (2002), it does not appear there were extensive bird surveys done on Babcock Ranch....however Olivacea may be referring to some more recent inventories. This whole Babcock-Webb WMA, Babcock Ranch, Fisheating Creek corridor is at the southern end of the 1200 sq. mile area I referred to earlier, and may make up 20% to 25% of the entire area--although the state of Florida has acquired alot of land recently, alot is apparently still in large, private ranches.

TMGuy's earlier post may refer to parts of this vast area "north of L. Okeechobee and west of Highway 27" but he also refers to Manatee County, which is substantially farther west, and part of the distinct Myakka River watershed complex.
 
Regarding the picture.

I took that picture around midday on thursday, january 26, 06. It was taken through the passenger side window of my car. I was in the area on my website referred to as the 1st search area.

The bird is real. It is not a decoy. It is not in an orange tree. It is alive and breathing.

I was in my car in these woods with the camera on the front seat, I was out on this day photographing woodpecker holes and was in the process of cataloging them. I was driving on a car's width trail and this bird flew in from the left, towards the right, in front of the car. I stopped. The bird landed in some scrub variety of Quercus(oak) that borders the pines in this forest. No orange trees. No buildings.

The bird landed in the trees, it was very animated, twitchy, it pulled it's neck back and forward as it made it's way along the branches. It kept rubbing it's bill across the branches like most birds do. I lifted the camera up and was nearly hyperventilating. I put the zoom on all of the way and took a picture. All the while the bird was moving through the trees in the direction of the rear of my car while parallel to the car. When I take a picture with this camera it takes a second or two for it to click, it is not like a 35 mm camera that can wizz off a bunch of pics in 2 seconds. I did not set it to a certain pixel range, this camera has no such ability and it has only a high resolution and low resolution setting, the high setting lets you store less pictures than the low. I keep it on high.

When the picture snapped the bird had already made it parallel to the rear of the car, I watched through the windows as it flew off.

I could not see how well the picture came out on the camera, when I got home and downloaded it off the camera I totally freaked out and contacted everyone I knew. The bird is not in the classic woodpecker pose and I cannot help that. It was moving it's head this way and that and I cannot help the way the bird looks. Tell it to the bird. I took the picture and I was delighted with it. I was told to post it with no explanation to see how it would be recieved. 50/50 us how and that's ok.

I have taken a whole stack of pictures since but none as close as this.

I am trying to decide what to do with my pics, I have shared a few with some people and a few people have shared pics with me of birds they have found.

I have gathered alot of information on the natural history of these birds and I have found a nesting population where a juvenile male has been seen and photographed. As I have stated there are people in government who know of these birds, I have told a few people that I have been all but asked not to reveal this location. I have explained why to people who are civil and can carry on a normal conversation without blasting me on their blog after faking sincerity. I have given my phone number out to one person who I believed was sincere and in the last 48 hours I have recieved 12 rude phone calls. How strange is that. Ironic that I recieved no calls until I trusted this one person.

I have tried to help by giving away some locations where I have both seen birds and they have been reported. I have listened to local people, I have used satellite imagary to examine areas and more importantly I have gotten of my ass and rowed these areas. I am not special, I am not a scientist. I am a schmuck that found the birds as any schmuck can.

Oddly at this time and for the last 2 months the area where the breeding population is at has been gated off to the public. One must wonder.

Bill
 
tmguy said:
Regarding the picture. I took that picture around midday on thursday, january 26, 06. It was taken through the passenger side window of my car. I was in the area on my website referred to as the 1st search area. The bird is real. It is not a decoy. It is not in an orange tree. It is alive and breathing. Bill


Thank you, Bill, for explaining how this picture was taken.

As for the bad treatment you have recieved, that just seems to be the 'norm' for anyone who 'dares to say they have seen an IBWO'. Oh, how I wish that was not the case, but there seems to be a long, long list of such ones.

*****

People, when are you going to wake-up and stop treating those who come forward with sightings like they are all 'liars'?


TimeShadowed
 
tmguy said:
Oddly at this time and for the last 2 months the area where the breeding population is at has been gated off to the public. One must wonder.

Hi tmguy,

Thanks for the detailed description of how the photo was taken. Do you know who is behind closing off the area where the breeding pair is and why they have done so?

Thanks,
Slobyn
 
Thanks Bill. A great post on many levels.

As Time mentioned, it's really too bad that the same sort of ridicule that went on early last century is happening today when it comes to the Ivorybill. History repeats itself, only the names change.

Good luck and hopefully whoever is looking after that area will have success.
 
slobyn said:
Hi tmguy,

Thanks for the detailed description of how the photo was taken. Do you know who is behind closing off the area where the breeding pair is and why they have done so?

Thanks,
Slobyn

The area in question has two main gates to motor vehicle access, the gates are 10 miles or so apart and there are no posts as to why they are locked. My telephone inquiries only come up with ambiguous answers such as maintenance or logging, this has been done in the past with the area open. It may not be related to the birds at all, but as the officers previously told me, closing this area would have a devastating effect on the trust that has been built between the local hunters and fisherman, I wonder what they must be thinking. Foot traffic is allowed I presume but it is quite a distance in to put in a canoe, carrying that equipment would be daunting just to get to the put in area. It takes me around two hours by canoe to go the mile and a half or so to get where the birds are, the fallen logs and submerged debri make for an interesting trip in. Many places are so overgrown that it looks like dusk even during the middle of the day. The alligators, which I love, are extremely densly populated here and it is common for them to come up to the canoe and investigate. I can pretty much vouch that hunters do not go in this area, there are no trails or areas to walk. The hunting goes on in the less dense areas surrounding this spot.

I tell people to use satellite imagary to find large areas or tracts of trees and look for dense areas, these are where the birds are. This fable that they require huge tracts of land does not apply. I will agree that they require privacy for roosting and nesting but they fly great distances into the surrounding pine forests to forage food. It was these forages that I would initially see that led me to believe that they were in my 1st search area but they were only there to find food and they would fly back to this dense area.

There are several of these areas in central and south florida. Where there are sightings there are nesting areas within 10 miles. Once someone actually comes down and sees what the terrain looks like in the places I named they do not have a hard time believing the birds are here. I cannot picture Dr Jackson doing what is nescessary to find them. My raccoon analogy mentioned earlier applies when looking for these birds. One or two trips in might produce a lucky sighting but going frequently produces many more, and getting into the dense areas makes for spectacular observations.

I have no explanations for the birds near Gainesville. I have had many sightings, many vocalizations, many reports by land owners there, but it is beyond me where they are nesting there.

Bill
 
Once again, bill, i really wanna add ivory billed woopecker to my life list, since you are the fore most expert, can you take me to see one?
 
fangsheath said:
I would be interested in seeing a reference on the biological surveys on the acquisition area.

The acquisition of the Babcock Ranch was handled by the Florida Department of Environmental Protection, Division of State Lands. Contact information can be found at this site:
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/lands/

Under the state's sunshine regulations the records and files of FDEP are open for public inspection. Anyone interested in the evaluatioin of the Babcock Ranch property can view the supporting files.

Later...
olivacea
 
Big Phil said:
Are we seriously talking about this photo?.


I wish I could see something when I followed the link! Is there an alternative link... and while I am at is is there a central repository of claimed Ivory-bill photos/videos that a casually interested party like myself could peruse?
 
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