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lvcuer Saturday 15th September 2012 23:08

Carlsbad, NM, USA - Piratic or Sulphur-bellied?
 
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I birded Rattlesnake Springs (south of Carlsbad) and took these photos of a presumed Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher. In sharing my results with a local birder, he was surprised and claimed it was more likely a Piratic Flycatcher. That bird is not in any of my bird books and I've never seen a reference to it on the ABA list. The photos are not very good, but I hope someone out there can weigh in on the identification of this bird. Thanks.

Andrew Whitehouse Saturday 15th September 2012 23:13

It looks good for Piratic Flycatcher. Certainly not a Sulphur-bellied.

njlarsen Sunday 16th September 2012 00:31

For comparison, here is the Opus pages: http://www.birdforum.net/opus/Piratic_Flycatcher
and http://www.birdforum.net/opus/Sulphu...ied_Flycatcher

Bill is not strong enough for SbF; however, piratic does not usually look as yellow on the underside as your photos show.

Niels

Jim M. Sunday 16th September 2012 00:50

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Originally Posted by lvcuer (Post 2538474)
I birded Rattlesnake Springs (south of Carlsbad) and took these photos of a presumed Sulphur-bellied Flycatcher. In sharing my results with a local birder, he was surprised and claimed it was more likely a Piratic Flycatcher. That bird is not in any of my bird books and I've never seen a reference to it on the ABA list. The photos are not very good, but I hope someone out there can weigh in on the identification of this bird. Thanks.

I'd forward your photos to the New Mexico rare birds committee ASAP. I think the two possibilities are Variegated Flycatcher or Piratic Flycatcher (there might be others I'm not aware of, but not in my books). This bird shows considerable rufous in the tail, which is more characteristic of Variegated according to my references, but I'm not sure if juvenile Piratic might show that as well.

In any event, there have been multiple records of each in the U.S., but only a handful. Nice find!

Jim

Microtus Sunday 16th September 2012 01:01

Definitely check out Variegated Flycatcher. There are about 3-4 records of that South American species from USA and Canada. There is indeed noticeable rufous on the tail of your bird. The northern South America guide (Birds of Northern South America by Restall et al.) indicate that the juvenile is simiar to the adult and is unstreaked below (plate 207).

Microtus Sunday 16th September 2012 01:05

In addition to what Jim said, if you (or someone) can forward your sighting to the Arizona-New Mexico birding list, that would let the community know a.s.a.p. about this sighting.

lvcuer Sunday 16th September 2012 01:17

Thanks...
 
Thanks for all the interesting feedback. Wish I'd hung around longer and tried to get better photos. I have forwarded the photos to NM RBA and we'll see what they have to say. Hopefully someone local will relocate the bird for a more certain identification. lvcuer

Kratter Sunday 16th September 2012 02:03

What a great find! Looks good for Piratic Flycatcher. Get the word out.

Andy

njlarsen Sunday 16th September 2012 02:03

http://www.birdforum.net/opus/Variegated_Flycatcher

is the third contender

Niels

Microtus Sunday 16th September 2012 10:59

The flycatcher is on the Arizona/New Mexico list now. What a spectacular find!!!!

Microtus Wednesday 19th September 2012 22:53

One last update -- The Piratic Flycatcher continues as of this morning.


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