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Ingsbirder Tuesday 3rd February 2009 08:27

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Originally Posted by liverpool_bob (Post 1396764)
I didn't know that... I guess this was a while ago?

Yes, the Hawfinches at Scrayingham were over 20 years ago, but since then I can only recall occasional records in the valleys of the Wolds (the Nunbernholme records were last winter). Maybe these are the areas that birders should concentrate their efforts for this superb finch - I don't know of anyone who watches the valleys of the Wolds as a 'patch' but could be wrong?

It always used to be a species that I'd see every year without much effort around York, often including birds during the breeding season. However, I've seen only one recently and the York area as a whole probably averages about one winter report per year - sadly.

Pete Mella Tuesday 3rd February 2009 11:43

For South Yorks types... the Sheffield Bird Study Group has just completely revamped its website, and it's got some good stuff on there including some good site guides.

http://www.sbsg.org.uk

Marcus Conway - ebirder Tuesday 3rd February 2009 13:40

There are currently 42 waxwings outside my window feeding outside 'Castle Keep' on Scott Lane, Wetherby.

zacatzooba Tuesday 3rd February 2009 15:04

15+ waxwings with starlings in access road between Salisbury and Shaftesbury Ave's in Roundhay - still present 4 ish. Breakaway splinter group from your mob Keith?

bitterntwisted Tuesday 3rd February 2009 15:34

106 Waxwings on Harrogate Road, junction of King Lane and Stainbeck Road at 4PM. All feeding on a single Rowan at the side of the road. Cr@p photos later. Just how many are there in W. Yorks at the moment!?

Graham

bitterntwisted Tuesday 3rd February 2009 17:38

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Left the scope in the car, and so the below are digi-binned travesties. Good birds for a lunch-break, though.

Graham

andy hood Tuesday 3rd February 2009 17:49

A few Turnstones, purple sandpipers, sanderlings, common gulls, redshanks and oystercatchers on brid south shore this early afternoon, 1 canada goose and 5 tufted duck among the mallard and domestic geese on burton agnes pond, 7 tufted duck and 2 mute swans on nafferton pond , bewicks swans still at north frodingham, 9 redwing on the outskirts of kelk ,

liverpool_bob Tuesday 3rd February 2009 19:59

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Originally Posted by bitterntwisted (Post 1396947)
As James said, most E. Yorks reserves have a colony, but I wonder how representative that is of the area more generally? i.e. to what extent is it a product of active management which is not going on elsewhere.

My personal experience of the area I study is that Tree Sparrows are very locally distributed. They can be common but equally I could walk all day without seeing a single bird but in villages where they're regular seeing double figures might be expected.

They do seem especially drawn to gardens with feeders and also ones where House Sparrows aren't dominant. The gardens around my old mans house have lots of House but few Tree Sparrows (and their visits are irregular). In the next village there are less House but the largest no of Tree's locally. Gardens with big overgrown hedges and plenty of adjacent cover seem to be preferred too, though that might just be a coincidence.

Also, they seem to have recovered somewhat in recent years, where House Sparrows have declined. By late 90s Tree Sparrows were quite tricky to find (or perhaps it was just me being unobservant - equally likely!) but I've been seeing more each year in 2005-8 since starting birding again proper. By contrast House Sparrows numbers are less than 50% what they were 20 years ago.

Hotspur Tuesday 3rd February 2009 20:30

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Originally Posted by liverpool_bob (Post 1398051)
My personal experience of the area I study is that Tree Sparrows are very locally distributed. They can be common but equally I could walk all day without seeing a single bird but in villages where they're regular seeing double figures might be expected.

They do seem especially drawn to gardens with feeders and also ones where House Sparrows aren't dominant. The gardens around my old mans house have lots of House but few Tree Sparrows (and their visits are irregular). In the next village there are less House but the largest no of Tree's locally. Gardens with big overgrown hedges and plenty of adjacent cover seem to be preferred too, though that might just be a coincidence.

Also, they seem to have recovered somewhat in recent years, where House Sparrows have declined. By late 90s Tree Sparrows were quite tricky to find (or perhaps it was just me being unobservant - equally likely!) but I've been seeing more each year in 2005-8 since starting birding again proper. By contrast House Sparrows numbers are less than 50% what they were 20 years ago.


Im not quite sure i run with that Bob - as far as ive noticed out this way its a case of they are pretty inobtrusive and vaguely reliant on the presence of people and arent keen where house sparrows are present but if you check the local feeders be it on a nature reserve or just a local house and you'll see them, especially around stand alone farm houses. For me they are a bird I see everyday without trying (and that was prior to having feeders out) - if a sparrow flies i assume its tree sparrow and then work back to house sparrow.

liverpool_bob Wednesday 4th February 2009 09:31

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Originally Posted by Hotspur (Post 1398077)
Im not quite sure i run with that Bob - as far as ive noticed out this way its a case of they are pretty inobtrusive and vaguely reliant on the presence of people and arent keen where house sparrows are present but if you check the local feeders be it on a nature reserve or just a local house and you'll see them, especially around stand alone farm houses. For me they are a bird I see everyday without trying (and that was prior to having feeders out) - if a sparrow flies i assume its tree sparrow and then work back to house sparrow.

I think we're broadly in agreement, though you clearly see more than I do, but I can only speak for my local patch.

There aren't many feeders that I encounter and most of those aren't easily visible (fancy putting feeders hidden away in your back garden, how inconsiderate!) and if I'm honest I'm not a big fan of standing around watching them.

There was a large flock at Foston last winter that frequented stubbles with finches/buntings - I think the peak was about 45 birds. To me that's a remarkable count, locally.

Hotspur Wednesday 4th February 2009 10:23

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Originally Posted by liverpool_bob (Post 1398456)
There aren't many feeders that I encounter and most of those aren't easily visible (fancy putting feeders hidden away in your back garden, how inconsiderate!) and if I'm honest I'm not a big fan of standing around watching them.

I cant say i blame you - im not talking with 100% confidence as i just dont take much notice of them anymore.

Keith Dickinson Wednesday 4th February 2009 14:45

There was a flock of about 30 birds in the same area today, around 3.15pm. Went top get my camera from home but by the time I got back they'd gone. According to a householder on King Lane they'd flown down Gledhow Valley Road but I couldn't refind them.
This is getting ridiculous, I go from bemoaning the fact that I haven't seen a waxwing for several years just before the new year, to now getting waxwing fatigue a month later!

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Originally Posted by bitterntwisted (Post 1397712)
106 Waxwings on Harrogate Road, junction of King Lane and Stainbeck Road at 4PM. All feeding on a single Rowan at the side of the road. Cr@p photos later. Just how many are there in W. Yorks at the moment!?

Graham


liverpool_bob Wednesday 4th February 2009 15:22

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Originally Posted by Keith Dickinson (Post 1398675)
This is getting ridiculous, I go from bemoaning the fact that I haven't seen a waxwing for several years just before the new year, to now getting waxwing fatigue a month later!

With so much interest from photographers it's a wonder there aren't hoards of angry under-exposed celebrities turning up at Waxwing twitches and forming a "British jobs for British workers" protest ;)

Marcus Conway - ebirder Wednesday 4th February 2009 15:24

How about 'British Berries for British Birds'?

Pete Mella Wednesday 4th February 2009 15:42

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Originally Posted by Marcus Conway - ebirder (Post 1398710)
How about 'British Berries for British Birds'?

Unofficial, non-union endorsed pickets from mistle thrushes and blackbirds. That'll be next!

Andrew Gibson Wednesday 4th February 2009 17:06

This afternoon at Welwick salt marsh.
3 short eared owl, 2 barn owl, 2 ring tail hen harrier, 2 merlin.

TwoDipsfromAmsterdam Wednesday 4th February 2009 17:11

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Originally Posted by Pete Mella (Post 1398722)
Unofficial, non-union endorsed pickets from mistle thrushes and blackbirds. That'll be next!

Ah - that would be a Reds-backed Strike then.

Marcus Conway - ebirder Wednesday 4th February 2009 17:52

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Originally Posted by Andrew Gibson (Post 1398816)
This afternoon at Welwick salt marsh.
3 short eared owl, 2 barn owl, 2 ring tail hen harrier, 2 merlin.

Thanks Andrew. Would you be able to share viewing arrangments and wether a scope is needed. Thanks :t:

BirdFlower Wednesday 4th February 2009 20:02

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Originally Posted by Marcus Conway - ebirder (Post 1398867)
Thanks Andrew. Would you be able to share viewing arrangments and wether a scope is needed. Thanks :t:

Just in case Andrew doesn't check this thread too often. I would take a scope, but you can get very close views of Hen Harrier if you are lucky. There used to be (haven't been for a couple of years) an old tree washed up & have seen Hen Harrier on there twice - actually 2 out of 3 times. Someone on the course who lives nearby checked up on it recently & says its churned up. It's bleak - flat saltmarsh habitat, but can pay dividends at this time of year - as my calendar states!

It is accessible to the public at all times, but kids use illegal motorbikes there, so it may be bad for that at weekends - probably OK early on in the day, as they won't have got up then!
Cheers

Marcus Conway - ebirder Wednesday 4th February 2009 20:10

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Originally Posted by BirdFlower (Post 1398973)
Just in case Andrew doesn't check this thread too often. I would take a scope, but you can get very close views of Hen Harrier if you are lucky. There used to be (haven't been for a couple of years) an old tree washed up & have seen Hen Harrier on there twice - actually 2 out of 3 times. Someone on the course who lives nearby checked up on it recently & says its churned up. It's bleak - flat saltmarsh habitat, but can pay dividends at this time of year - as my calendar states!

It is accessible to the public at all times, but kids use illegal motorbikes there, so it may be bad for that at weekends - probably OK early on in the day, as they won't have got up then!
Cheers

Thanks Michael.

tophillbirder Wednesday 4th February 2009 20:20

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Originally Posted by East wind (Post 1396050)
Im new to this and not sure if i was being set up, but is there any truth in the rumour of a feral Turkey at Tophill.

Think this may relate to displaying Woodcocks which were described to me as fanning their tails like a turkey.

tophillbirder Wednesday 4th February 2009 20:22

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Originally Posted by Hotspur (Post 1396081)
Ive heard hide nor hair about a Turkey at Tophill. Im sure Tophillbirder will confirm or deny the report.

I'm a well known stringer don't trust me!

tophillbirder Wednesday 4th February 2009 20:25

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Originally Posted by knocker7800 (Post 1396141)
Met a guy at North Cave who was told there is a wood near Pocklington where you can see Brambling from the feeders in the Car Park (possibly called Low Wood - could this be Low Moor/Allerton)

Mark.

Someone at Tophill mentioned the feeders at Allerthorpe Common. Could that it be the site? Haven't been for years so can't help.
Went to High Eske this afternoon. If Andy Gibson's viewing, I spoke to the contractor from EA. Are building a path around the west side of the pit starting at the north end with a bridge over the outlet then along the back of the pit [as far as I'm concern this is tricky as there's a very narrow strip between Eske and the largest 'pond' on Pulfin}. I was assure that most of the bushes will remain to screen Eske. Don't know the exact boundaries of High Eske/Pulfin but you inferred that YWT had no involvement/knowledge of the project but this must have some long term affect on both sites.
Had a Whooper Swan on site, 3 Pinkies and a Jay [rare bird, my be first for me} . I admit I strung the Whooper as a Bewick's last week.
Still 11 Whoopers on Arram Carr but had to walk as far as Leven Canal to view. However had a male Stonechat by the canal.
No sight of Bewick's N.Frodingham this afternoon.
Both Smew still Tophill y'day on Watton NR.

BirdFlower Wednesday 4th February 2009 20:30

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Originally Posted by tophillbirder (Post 1398992)
Think this may relate to displaying Woodcocks which were described to me as fanning their tails like a turkey.

I wonder if East Wind should really be called East Wind-up. I think it all may be a jokey reference to the visit a few days ago to Tophill of Andy Walker aka Schiffornis, whose avatar looks like a Turkey, unless he really resembles a miniature elephant man - no offence intended!

Cheers

Hotspur Wednesday 4th February 2009 22:15

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Originally Posted by BirdFlower (Post 1398998)
I wonder if East Wind should really be called East Wind-up. I think it all may be a jokey reference to the visit a few days ago to Tophill of Andy Walker aka Schiffornis, whose avatar looks like a Turkey, unless he really resembles a miniature elephant man - no offence intended!

Cheers

I believe Andy's avatar shows a Bluethroat being ringed - just takes a bit of magic eye. East Wind may well be a wind-up but stranger things have happened.


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