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AJDH Friday 17th November 2006 18:19

Young shrike - Eastern Saudi Arabia
 
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I photographed this young shrike this morning but I'm having difficulties pinning it down. This is the best image I have as it has been very overcast and raining today.

lou salomon Friday 17th November 2006 18:39

looks like turkestan shrike (lanius phoenicuroides) to me. an excellent photo!

AJDH Friday 17th November 2006 18:41

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Originally Posted by lou salomon
looks like turkestan shrike (lanius phoenicuroides) to me.

That would be isabelline would it not. The length of the tail was throwing me as I didn't think it long enough.

gerdwichers8 Friday 17th November 2006 18:43

Isabelline Shrike Lanius phoenicuroides? There has been a lot of debate recently which I didnt participate, but surely some other people are eager to inform you better about it. I find my solution not straightforward.

AJDH Friday 17th November 2006 18:49

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Originally Posted by gerdwichers8
Isabelline Shrike Lanius phoenicuroides? There has been a lot of debate recently which I didnt participate, but surely some other people are eager to inform you better about it. I find my solution not straightforward.

I did offer the image to a local expert who scratched his chin, said "interesting", went back to his beer and suggested I post the picture here. These young birds are a devil to identify.

lou salomon Friday 17th November 2006 18:51

this one looks even more short tailed: http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/bi...amily_ID=&p=11

they call it rufous-tailed shrike in OBI

AJDH Friday 17th November 2006 18:57

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Originally Posted by lou salomon
this one looks even more short tailed: http://www.orientalbirdimages.org/bi...amily_ID=&p=11

they call it rufous-tailed shrike in OBI

It does look like that, thanks a lot. Now I have to decide what to call it after seeing all those alternative names. ;)

gerdwichers8 Friday 17th November 2006 19:02

Hey, that's a coincidence! I am often not as much priviliged to see such stunning views as Adrian provides us with and while birding in the field a lot of shrikes are seen more far off.
So even encountering some distant shrike sp. with obvious rufous tails (even far off obviously noticed) like some posible Red Backed Shrikes were not always eliminated, I called them 'Rufous tailed Shrikes'
Wonderfully no severe, negative critic was with me at the time..because now I find, not even a term like 'Rufous tailed' leaves some space for other Shrike sp.

JANJ Friday 17th November 2006 20:42

IŽd say 1st winter Isabelline phoenicuroides on this Adrian.

JanJ

Caulkhead Sunday 19th November 2006 14:30

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Originally Posted by JANJ
IŽd say 1st winter Isabelline phoenicuroides on this Adrian.

JanJ

HI Adrian,

It's not often that we meet up on this one, but I thought I'd come in on, ahem, slightly safer ground than some of the other challenges you've given us (and that's saying something!) and agree with the 1st winter Isabelline phoenicuroides groundswell.

Great photo as usual.

I think I'll stick to Submariner ident, in general !

All the best, Nick

AJDH Sunday 19th November 2006 15:32

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Originally Posted by Caulkhead
HI Adrian,

It's not often that we meet up on this one, but I thought I'd come in on, ahem, slightly safer ground than some of the other challenges you've given us (and that's saying something!) and agree with the 1st winter Isabelline phoenicuroides groundswell.

Great photo as usual.

I think I'll stick to Submariner ident, in general !

All the best, Nick

Thanks Nick.........................trust you to come in on safer ground. ;)

Caulkhead Sunday 19th November 2006 16:57

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Originally Posted by AJDH
Thanks Nick.........................trust you to come in on safer ground. ;)

You know me! :brains:


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