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  1. mb1848

    Current fuss in North America about eponymous English bird names

    My little experience with people on the AOS English committee who voted for this; they could not stand people disagreeing with them. And they responded by erasing comments. Now I wish Bird Forum had listened to Justice Brandeis and chose more speech. I work in a system that requires civility but...
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    "Yeah, he passed away in February or Marsh. He was my supervisor" A great loss. All his publications were well written and beautifully researched. I was just trying to taunt the NACC a second time. No disrespect intended.
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    "Maybe they did not get Winker's resignation letter yet?" Normand David's letter as well.
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    I know believe that Cock-of-the- rock is more like cock of the walk. The name comes because of the behavior of the males on the Lek. They show off their pecs etc. Earliest use I can find is 1742. Essai sur l'histoire naturelle de la France Equinoxiale - Biodiversity Heritage Library ...
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    Mysticete said: I am trying to compile a potential list of replacement names, in part going through online references to other names. It's kind of surprising the number of really evocative names got binned for much lamer ones. Names like Painted Longspur, Black-crowned Sapsucker, and Tricolored...
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    "Barolo Shearwater"? Mr. Jobling's Key says yes. Carlo Ippolito Ernesto Tancredi Maria Falletti Marchese di Barolo (1782-1838) Actually on the AOS check-list AOU Checklist of North and Middle American Birds .
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    Andy. Not sure now. Brisson 1760 Coq-de-roche is early for Eliot. t.4 (1760) - Ornithologie, ou, Méthode contenant la division des oiseaux en ordres, sections, genres, especes & leurs variétés - Biodiversity Heritage Library . Edwards 1760...
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    We really need a historian here but the name comes from military person from Britain George Augustus Eliott he led a famous defense of Gibraltar 1779-1783 and was called the cock of the rock. (rock=Gibraltar) His uniform looked like the plumage of the bird. 15th Light Horse - Project Seven...
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    Is it lighthearted? Like this whole endevour that is hard, complicated. Refer to earlier comments by Mysticete about political happenings on college campuses. Dr. Remsen and Michael C. were being lighthearted but with an edge. White supremacists are no longer hidden in USA. And they are...
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    Where is this from? labird groups.io Group . What's wrong with R-n Grebe? I think the question is what is wrong with being a Redneck? Redneck - Wikipedia .
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    Montagu's Harrier. "unless Monty was a disgrace." Sorry he was an anti-vaxxer. "He died of tetanus after stepping on a nail at Knowle House. " Too bad I like that name. This was a joke no tetanus vaccine before 1890. Bird people should be helped by real historians as the NACC had proposed.
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    "Your superiors know better" Turns out I was right! 1. The members of the North American Classification Committee (aka “Checklist Committee”) and its South American counterpart were unanimous in their interest in taking each potentially offensive name into account on a case-by-case basis, based...
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    Robins are flycatchers?

    "Oenanthe is a noun in apposition, not an adjective. It provides no indication about the gender of the noun it was apposed to." I always forget that one and a lot of others. The second species of the genus is S. rubetra and the third is S. acquatica and 4th S. rubicola. Ornithologisches...
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    Robins are flycatchers?

    Ficedula timorensis (Hellmayr, 1919) I am sure Laurent is correct. I am just a little stuck. 30.1.4.2. A genus-group name that is or ends in a word of common or variable gender (masculine or feminine) is to be treated as masculine unless its author, when establishing the name, stated that it...
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    "Surely they ate Bartram's Sandpiper?" Yes. I seem to remember refering to him as a "little puke" and not in a positive way.
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    In the American Ornithological Society (AOS) Council Statement on English Bird Names I read word usage that predicts problems. The use of birdwatchers. A term used by no-one except academics. “Isn’t that nice those post Covid normals studying birds now.” The whole exercise strikes me as one...
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    "the wholly benign Robert Cushman Murphy" Ha! The chemical-industrial complex and the manufacturers of DDT would not see it that way. MURPHY v. BUTLER, 362 U.S. 929 (1960) .
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    Someone mentioned that AOS list only has species, since 1957. They recomend: "Although a complete revision of North American avian subspecies has not been done, we refer readers to Avibase, Clements, and other checklists" Including Howard & Moore and IOC.
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    Does not Zenaida Dove fit the bill. I feel that the AOS is the cat's paw for the Patriarchy here and with Anna's Grace's by erasing all females from common names. Also Bonaparte divorced her and always regretted naming anything after her.
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    "One more departure from the WGAC" WGAC IOU Statement on Vernacular and Common Bird Names Preamble: Consistency of name usage is of utmost importance in communication about bird species, ranging from research, conservation and legal contexts all the way to informal and everyday communication...
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    After McCown was decapitated I suggested that all new replacement names should be Thick-billed. Thick-billed Plover. How about Great Egg Harbor Plover? v.9 (1814) - American ornithology, or, The natural history of the birds of the United States - Biodiversity Heritage Library .
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    AOS to discard patronyms in English names

    Are they all problematic? To me. Rosy Gull "it's a trait shared with a number of closely related gulls." A Rosy Gull by any other name ...... .
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    Glaucestrilda perreini (Vieillot, 1817)

    “of an apoplectic fit in his 55th year Dr. Jean Perrein a native of France and a member of the Society of Sciences and Belle Lettres Bordeaux” Deaths from the Daily Visitor or Lady’s Miscellany 1805. The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record . l'Académie Nationale des Sciences...
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    Glaucestrilda perreini (Vieillot, 1817)

    Perrein intended to leave New York for France in April 1805 but he never made it. Founders Online: To Thomas Jefferson from Jean Perreïn, 25 February 1805 ...
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    Pipridae

    Thank you Laurent especially the links to documents that help date other works. I trust a medica/pharmacie journal as a source more than a daily newspaper or a Gentalmen's gazette which have been used for this. I'm thinking that P. cyanocapilla and P. coronata might both be dated 12/31/1826, I...
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