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  1. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    The primary reason I suggested starting another thread is that unfortunately when subjects like "sentience" and "self-awareness" get brought up, we're getting into areas that deal less with hard and fast data/facts than they do peoples' belief systems. I love talking about that stuff, just...
  2. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    I don't know that much about seal hunts, especially in eastern Canada, but as with the whale issue, each region and the stocks that inhabit that region have to be taken separately. To my limited knowledge, I don't believe seal abundance in the Beaufort Sea area is anywhere near what it is in...
  3. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    My apologies for the delay in responding. I had too much to do yesterday, and then I was skywatching most of last night, trying to see if my Zeiss 85 T*FL would pick up the rings of Saturn in the planet's closest proximity to earth for the year. It didn't, but it may be due to my needing to...
  4. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    This is the kind of emotional non sequitur I have never understood. I am against all whaling. However, I am not against the right of people to eat the food they need in order to survive -- the food they have always eaten, regardless of how it may conflict with our cultural view of things. As I...
  5. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    All cetacean species, with one local exception, are listed as Appendix I, meaning that they are all considered to be threatened with extinction and no commercial trade in them is allowed. The single exception is the West Greenland stock of minke whale, which is listed as Appendix II (not...
  6. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    This is exactly the kind of generalization that makes debate of complex issues impossible. I have never said categorically that "Inuit whale killing is sustainable." I have said that each case has to be considered on its own merits. Greenland's Inuit hunts of minke, narwhal and beluga whales are...
  7. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    To drag this back on topic, the focus of the discussion isn't about one country telling another what to do (especially on subjects other than whaling). It's about what countries who've signed an international treaty have agreed to do, and how some of those countries aren't sticking to the...
  8. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    Forgive my lack of clarity there. I meant that how dead whales are isn't germane to this discussion. I agree with you guys, dead is dead. I have only been talking about the legality of the different types of hunting as described under the IWC regulations. I think some of us will have to...
  9. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    Believe me, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here, just setting out what I know are the facts surrounding the few issues I'm familiar with. For me, how dead the whales are isn't germane but rather who has the legal right to kill them and for what purpose. Yes, they're just as dead...
  10. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    I think there's a danger in generalizing about "Inuit hunting" especially when applying principles of one type of hunt to another and one taxa of prey to another. Couldn't agree more, though, that it's big business -- whether sponsored by a government, or private corporation, or an indigenous...
  11. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    Oh, dear, here I go again. ;) Abject apologies for the length. The problem lies, as it always does, in how statistics are used. On its face, it could look like the "minke whale population" is robust. However, as research is beginning to emerge about this species, it appears that there are...
  12. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    Thanks, you guys, for not booting me off the thread for being so long-winded. ;) My intent was to clarify a few of the inaccurate points Flybefree raised, but I didn't do it to offend, nor did I feel my own toes were stepped on by her posts. If there is something specific I said that Flybefree...
  13. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    First, my apologies for a horrifically long post, but you guys were really busy while I was out errand-running for a few hours! ;) I've tried to snip out anything I wasn't directly replying to, and it's still ridiculous. Maybe I should've used a smaller font? ;) Sorry, FBF, but I have absolutely...
  14. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    Whew, lots of fodder here for discussion. First up, and only because I don't have time just now --running out the door to do errands before the (alleged) snow flies ;) -- Canada isn't a member of the IWC and therefore would not be a signatory to this demarche to Japan. The question to ask is...
  15. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    No kidding, Andy. Of course, those of us here who didn't vote in this administration aren't surprised, either. I guess I'm still enough of an idealist to be occasionally surprised at how blatant their pandering is.
  16. Katy Penland

    US government hates whales

    Well, there is certainly not good news today: On two fronts, the US is clearly taking a far back seat on critical issues facing, in this case, whales. First up: A demarche (an official diplomatic letter from one country to another) has been sent to Japan signed by Argentina, Australia...
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