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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    that would be a ditto from me too. Responsibility & Sustainability are the key points for me.
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    Yes, I do take on board how you must feel Adam and I wouldn't want to impose on you personally other than to hope a keen birder would take on-board logical consideration from another perspective which in most cases is backed by science and where fellow naturalists & conservation NGOs don't have...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    Adam, If you don't mind me saying, I think you are caught up focusing on why you don't want to change or see changes that bring greater responsibility rather than focusing on all the positive reasons that these changes can bring to shooting industry on many levels. Oh, and there's the birds as...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    Adam - it feels like your'e throwing baby out with it's bath-water as a reaction to my list. I'm sure you can see that this doesn't preclude that all shooting should stop? How's about a bit of steel-shot wood pigeon shooting on a local farm. The species is abundant and what's wrong with you...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    Adam, there's plenty of responsible shooting that wouldn't make my list but I'm sure you're aware of these just as well as anyone else. Check out Mark Avery's blog on the subject (or as I remember you can't bring yourself to read it so I'll help you out) In this case for giving declining...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    Adam, that's a very easy question. I am not against all shooting and never have been. If the shooting industry were more accountable and responsible then some of these petitions wouldn't be necessary but I don't see the masses of responsible sportsman hanging their rogues out to dry; in fact if...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    But another valid case, long overdue. This one is simply calling for a ceasation but I guess as you have called out before Adam, killing is about conserving, even if the species are heavily in decline. As you have already said, you choose no Hen Harriers rather than curtailing of a sporting...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    I am pleased to see that the CAs claims about Chris Packam have been thrown out. I love it when the bullies are shown up for what they are. Chris has a new, further petition running calling for responsible shooting and a halting of killing those species in sharp decline. Woodcock, Snipe & Golden...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    Adam, more pointed questions if I may..... If the shooting business and the many organisations involved such as CA, GWCT, Moorland Trust and many more, the Shooting media, The Field, Shooting Times and more all believe that there is a minority criminals in their midst, why don't we see them...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    Well said John. And the notion that there might be millions of people who haven't signed doesn't equate to them all being happy that DGS and Hen Harrier extirpation from UK is what they all want. That notion would be a clutching of straws.
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    Does anyone recall the situation in the 1980s where football hooliganism from a small core attending football matches, spoilt the games for many more and then a decision was made to make stadia seat only and improved segregation. Now at the time, I recall supporters being up in arms that the...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    Speaks volumes doesn't it. How these country folk in the uplands know their birds! Maybe the RSPB have been missing out trying to improve the conservation of the Stone Curlew in the Brecklands instead of the heather moorlands?
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    Wholesale species removal vs legal predator control - there is a difference. Curlew,Redshank,Lapwing,Snipe and Golden Plover have existed alongside corvids and grouse species as well as predator species for eons of time before the invention of shotguns and tweed. Serving these waders up as a...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    Maybe Adam, just maybe if you were to open your mind just a tad and read that Mark references peer-reviewed science for each argument he calls out. I haven't seen such a book based on such from a shooting perspective. If I had, I would love to read. Facts can be called facts by anyone who so...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    Thank you for your honesty Adam, always much appreciated. So we have no Hen Harrier. Can you therefore point out these benefits please because in many upland Grouse moors, we can often find we have few Stoat, Weasel, Hedgehog, Fox, Mountain Hare, Peregrine, Golden Eagle, Merlin, Short-eared...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    I think it also worth adding here that just because the RSPB as an organisation are in some way restricted in what they can do and say around this issue, we shouldn't assume that this is the opinion of the RSPB employees themselves, many who will have personally signed this petition to ban DGS I...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    There are countless petitions raised on numerous platforms dealing with all sorts of things that people feel passionate about and some will bring about change, others will plant the seeds of change that will come eventually. I haven't personally seen too many petitions raised where someone...
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    new petition re driven grouse shooting

    Is there a parallel business that causes so much adverse impact to our upland biodiversity where a line of defense is the amount of livelihoods benefiting/impacted if things need to change? Maybe we should not address drug trafficking using similar arguments...
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