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  1. tconzemi

    HB juvenile, the pale form? Lunigiana Italy

    coverts look brown to me with dark carpal patch, a standard chcolate form, the second bird is very pale indeed but not all white, on some pictures you can see some pattern
  2. tconzemi

    HB juvenile, the pale form? Lunigiana Italy

    yes both are juveniles and I don’t think pale juveniles will become pale adults as these are much more uncommon, same for the chocolate brown form that will become standard adults
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