lou salomon
the birdonist
looks like the same adult bird in all pics. very nice displaying its typical caspian wing. left p5 mark broken? (first pic). and very pale iris! (see 4th pic). :t:
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Cristian Mihai
Cristian Mihai
A somehow strange 2cy micha here (pics taken in the same place):
http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=278
http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=278
lou salomon
the birdonist
do you have more pics of those 2 caspians (the one with thayeri pattern e.g. http://www.talk.gull-research.org/download/file.php?id=1113) ???
Cristian Mihai
Cristian Mihai
Cristian Mihai
Cristian Mihai
Cristian Mihai
Cristian Mihai
lou salomon
the birdonist
thanks, cristian. at least 3 individuals, see: http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=279#p1096
Cristian Mihai
Cristian Mihai
lou salomon
the birdonist
very nice cristian,
3cy mich, 3cy cach, 2cy cach, 2cy cach, 4cy mich
i hope i can get to photograph some large gulls once again on my trip with birding tourists through dobrogea, d-delta, baragan and carpathians soon (4.-13.may), don't have your mobile nr, could you tell it to me once more please in a PM?
3cy mich, 3cy cach, 2cy cach, 2cy cach, 4cy mich
i hope i can get to photograph some large gulls once again on my trip with birding tourists through dobrogea, d-delta, baragan and carpathians soon (4.-13.may), don't have your mobile nr, could you tell it to me once more please in a PM?
Cristian Mihai
Cristian Mihai
Your Inbox for PM is full, Lou.
Cristian Mihai
Cristian Mihai
Some pics taken on May 9th - Mamaia, Romanian Black Sea coast:
http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=289
http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=289
Cristian Mihai
Cristian Mihai
lou salomon
the birdonist
caspians from danube delta on GRF
i've started to upload some caspian gull pics from my recent trip to danube delta here:
http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=291
while http://lou.bertalan.de/birds/ is temporarily unavailable
best,
i've started to upload some caspian gull pics from my recent trip to danube delta here:
http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=291
while http://lou.bertalan.de/birds/ is temporarily unavailable
best,
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lou salomon
the birdonist
some 2cy and 3cy added...http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=291#p1138
...and some 4-5cy http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&p=1139#p1139
...and some 4-5cy http://www.talk.gull-research.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&p=1139#p1139
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rockfowl
Mark Andrews
Hi Guys,
I was wondering what your thoughts on this little conundrum would be. This bird was photographed on mudflats close to Happy Island, NE China a week or so ago. At a distance, the relatively large size, bulk, pot-bellied appearance indicated Relict Gull, at which folk were relatively happy with. It was slightly bigger and bulkier than nearby Black-headed Gulls but I had some reservations and made my way out onto the mudflats and approached the bird. The images are poor I know, sinking mud, very windy conditions, scope disappearing into the abyss, the usual excuses! There are a couple of features that I wasn't totally happy with, the rather snouty appearance for one, Relict's don't usually show such bill length in my experience. The primaries - retarded? Unfortunately I didn't manage to see or get shots of the upperwing pattern, which apparently looked good, no white leading edge etc It ticks some boxes but perhaps not others, appreciate your thoughts.
Mark
I was wondering what your thoughts on this little conundrum would be. This bird was photographed on mudflats close to Happy Island, NE China a week or so ago. At a distance, the relatively large size, bulk, pot-bellied appearance indicated Relict Gull, at which folk were relatively happy with. It was slightly bigger and bulkier than nearby Black-headed Gulls but I had some reservations and made my way out onto the mudflats and approached the bird. The images are poor I know, sinking mud, very windy conditions, scope disappearing into the abyss, the usual excuses! There are a couple of features that I wasn't totally happy with, the rather snouty appearance for one, Relict's don't usually show such bill length in my experience. The primaries - retarded? Unfortunately I didn't manage to see or get shots of the upperwing pattern, which apparently looked good, no white leading edge etc It ticks some boxes but perhaps not others, appreciate your thoughts.
Mark
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tittletattler
Well-known member
Hi all,
Describing the age of gulls:
Most of us on here like to use the term 'calendar' when ageing gulls. That is, a 2nd calendar refers to a bird born the previous calendar year.
However, most people still prefer '1st winter, 2nd winter' etc. This seems to be the case for bird reports written in Kent (Dungeness Bird Obs, Sandwich bird Obs, Kent Ornithological Society etc). I'm currently writing up the gull species accounts for the Kent Ornithological Society's bird report.
Most gulls are quite straightforward. But the white-wingers are not. Bird reports to date refer to 1st/2nd calendar Iceland and Glaucous as '1st winters'. Now, as they don't start to moult their juvenile feathers until Mar or later, I want to refer to them as 'juveniles'. OK?
I photographed an Iceland Gull in Mar 08 which had moulted some of its mantle and scapular feathers. Should I refer to this bird as a 1st summer. Note that one report refers to these as 2nd winter (from Apr onwards in 2nd calendar year!).
What do you think?
Cheers,
Andy.
Describing the age of gulls:
Most of us on here like to use the term 'calendar' when ageing gulls. That is, a 2nd calendar refers to a bird born the previous calendar year.
However, most people still prefer '1st winter, 2nd winter' etc. This seems to be the case for bird reports written in Kent (Dungeness Bird Obs, Sandwich bird Obs, Kent Ornithological Society etc). I'm currently writing up the gull species accounts for the Kent Ornithological Society's bird report.
Most gulls are quite straightforward. But the white-wingers are not. Bird reports to date refer to 1st/2nd calendar Iceland and Glaucous as '1st winters'. Now, as they don't start to moult their juvenile feathers until Mar or later, I want to refer to them as 'juveniles'. OK?
I photographed an Iceland Gull in Mar 08 which had moulted some of its mantle and scapular feathers. Should I refer to this bird as a 1st summer. Note that one report refers to these as 2nd winter (from Apr onwards in 2nd calendar year!).
What do you think?
Cheers,
Andy.
lou salomon
the birdonist
hi mark you lucky man,
i don't see much that excludes an adult relict gull here. primary pattern with the clearly visible white mirrors and dark tip to p9,10 but also the very pointed tip of its bill looks ok, maybe on the long side for relict. but i don't have any experience with this sp. other than from images and books (that's why i called you a lucky man..). surely it's no other hooded species occuring in that region and i don't think we are looking at a hybrid here.
all the best
p.s. - i hope tha was a joke with scope in the abbyss
- such horrors happened to most of us though at a time given...
JANJ
Well-known member
Hello Mark.
Se what you mean. With such massive white eye-lids if we where to compare with Brown-headed (brunnicephalus) and som other differences of course. Looks good for relictus.
http://www.wwfchina.org/birdgallery/showpic.shtm?id=21852
Not relative to your bird so to speak, but I like this one:
http://www.hkbws.org.hk/BBS/viewthread.php?tid=4329&extra=page=5
JanJ
Se what you mean. With such massive white eye-lids if we where to compare with Brown-headed (brunnicephalus) and som other differences of course. Looks good for relictus.
http://www.wwfchina.org/birdgallery/showpic.shtm?id=21852
Not relative to your bird so to speak, but I like this one:
http://www.hkbws.org.hk/BBS/viewthread.php?tid=4329&extra=page=5
JanJ
rockfowl
Mark Andrews
Thanks Lou and Jan,
Think I was being over cautious, the bill bugged me, being used to a structure more like this - http://ibc.lynxeds.com/photo/relict...t-gull-first-winter-bird-beidaihe-hebei-china Both birds in Jan's links are also snouty I guess.
Uploaded a short video of the above beast here, very windy hence the wobble! - http://ibc.lynxeds.com/video/relict-gull-larus-relictus/adult-relict-gull-lateral-view
Mark
Think I was being over cautious, the bill bugged me, being used to a structure more like this - http://ibc.lynxeds.com/photo/relict...t-gull-first-winter-bird-beidaihe-hebei-china Both birds in Jan's links are also snouty I guess.
Uploaded a short video of the above beast here, very windy hence the wobble! - http://ibc.lynxeds.com/video/relict-gull-larus-relictus/adult-relict-gull-lateral-view
Mark
