Pipit or Wagtail - RT Wheatear or Common Redstart - Desert or Hooded Wheatear -- (1 Viewer)

Clibanarii

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• Jan 18, 2016

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Pipit or Wagtail - RT Wheatear or Common Redstart - Desert or Hooded Wheatear // Oman

Hi All,

Can you please help ID these 3 species.

All taken between November and Jan near Muscat, Oman.

Thanks in advance !

 

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Clibanarii

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• Jan 18, 2016

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KenM

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• Jan 18, 2016

• #3

I'm thinking imm.Yellow Wagtail, Desert Wheatear and female P.samamisicus.

Cheers

 

Clibanarii

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• Jan 19, 2016

• #4

Thanks Ken. I appreciate it.

 

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andyb39

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• Jan 20, 2016

• #5

I would have said the Redstart is actually (Eastern) Black Redstart. The dusky throat extends onto the upper breast and the bird is generally too dark and dingy for samisicus. Common Redstart of any form would be very unusual at this time of year in Oman - any redstart which is not black would be more likely to be Eversmann's!

 

Clibanarii

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• Jan 21, 2016

• #6

The sighting it was at about 2000m altitude if it helps.
Comparing these
http://i1.wp.com/birdingfrontiers.c...s-12-feb-2010-139-2-resize.jpg?resize=625,495
http://www.petermoorewildlifephotog... 1st winter (Phoenicurus ochruros) Tresco.JPG
with this:
http://www.birdfieldguide.co.uk/images/RedstartMaleWinter2.jpg
I'm leaning Common.

 

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andyb39

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• Jan 21, 2016

• #7

The Black Redstarts in the link are the form found in western Europe. Take a look at some of the birds in this link to see what the eastern form phoenicuroides can look like.

https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-z5cBz/i-mHqtDhF

I remember struggling with one of these bird until some more knowledgeable colleagues put me right:

http://www.uaebirding.com/forum/showthread.php?6761-Just-an-Eastern-Black-Redstart

 

Clibanarii

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• Feb 9, 2016

• #8

Thanks Andy. The dusky throat extends about 0.5 times head size, which is more like Common. However to it does extend to the sides as in a phoenicuroides. What do you think?

 

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Nutcracker

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• Feb 9, 2016

• #9

Tough, but I think I'd marginally favour a Black Redstart - the overall upperparts strike me as a bit too grey for Common