China observations (2 Viewers)

Gretchen · Oct 25, 2009

Hi,

Following up a particularly interesting discussion on the ID forum, Dong Bei and I thought it would be good to have a general thread - where anyone who had occasional (or more than occasional) China observations could add them. There is no limit on theme or geography, just birds in China.

If you don't have your own thread, we invite anyone who lives or travels in China to add their observations to this thread. Some of us don't have time to "work a patch" like we might like to, but if we contribute our occasional sightings and observations here, hopefully we can have some interesting dialogue and collect some interesting information.

We've already missed a good bit of migration, but it's not too late to tell what you've seen recently - please join in!

Gretchen · Oct 25, 2009

Too warm autumn!

Yesterday I had a nice chance to meet up with China Birds and Xiao Ming to look at birds in Beidaihe. Unfortunately the weather was poor - rather warm, and wind from the south, and I only had a few hours to be out.

However, the good part of being a beginner is that every bird is worth studying. There was a nice chance to see several Far Eastern Curlews, and I'm getting a little more confident about telling them from their cousins the Eurasian Curlews.

I guess it was an adequate day (in others' estimation?) for ducks - I think at least 8 kinds spotted, but for me still a lot to learn. Still, I'm getting more confident on grebes and mergansers (not ducks), am surer about spot-billed (yes, very basic), and could recognize the Northern Shoveler which Nick found; several others are becoming separable.

It was also very nice to see a Common Coot (my first) and a red-flanked bluetail (my first male) - a very handsome bird!

I guess you will be able to find more details about the whole day on ChinaBirds' year list.

Does fall seem to be long and warm where you are?

Gretchen

china guy · Oct 25, 2009

Its also been warm here in Sichuan - but now autumn has really started to kick in - we've now got a radiator turned on each night. It'll be interesting to see when winter properly hits us - by December it usually starts to get a quite cold in Chengdu - but never freezes.
Good Idea with the new thread

A question - you talk in the Sichuan thread about getting the Brazil E China book - did you send for it or can you buy it in China? We have that book - but there are other books we need - like the new guide to Chinese Mammals.
All the best
Sid and Meggie

Gretchen · Oct 26, 2009

Wow radiator already! Not like Sichuan used to be (we froze there in Jan - heat? what's heat?) Here we get supplied heat sometime in the next two weeks - this time could be cold inside if the weather outside were colder. Actually nice weather, but seems to be slowing down migration.

Actually I was asking someone if it has to do with the late Chinese calendar... I mean mid-autumn was so late, spring festival is late, so are all the traditional "most cold" etc. days. Is there something to that, that fall weather seems a bit late too?

I got the Brazil book from the States - thankfully I knew someone traveling and they carried it so I didn't have to pay the shipping. Oddly enough some pages were out of order - haven't contacted Amazon, but I've never seen that in a book before!

mcaribou · Oct 26, 2009

Yes,warmer autumn than usual.I was a little surprised to see Spoon-billed Sandpiper and Nordmann's Greenshank were still in Rudong on 19 Oct.Then I saw 100+ Bluetail and 100+ Grey-backed Thrush in the woods beside the beach.
The next morning I saw flock and flock of passerines coming from the north and they dashed into the woods and reeds.

Gretchen · Oct 27, 2009

mcaribou said:
Yes,warmer autumn than usual.I was a little surprised to see Spoon-billed Sandpiper and Nordmann's Greenshank were still in Rudong on 19 Oct.Then I saw 100+ Bluetail and 100+ Grey-backed Thrush in the woods beside the beach.
The next morning I saw flock and flock of passerines coming from the north and they dashed into the woods and reeds.

Hmm, warmer autumn for you too, and birds staying a bit later...

Seeing a flocks of bluetails and thrushes like that is great. I wonder if the lonely bluetail I saw the other day may have been a late departure.

Thanks for sharing mcaribou

MKinHK · Oct 27, 2009

Interesting to hear of so many bluetails and Grey-backed Thrushes in Shanghai, while neither has appeared yet in HK - however Chinese Blackbird, Blue Rock Thrush (which may just be local birds dropping down) and White's Thrush have been in for a few days.

Gretchen, there were pages missing from my copy of Brazil, but the publisher replaced it at no charge. I put a comment on the books thread and he got in touch with me.

Cheers
Mike

mcaribou · Oct 28, 2009

usually there's a two-week gap between Beidaihe and Shanghai,and a two-week gap between Shanghai and HongKong(personal observation).
So I guess Mike could expect yr Bluetail and GBThrush near the end of Oct.
A cold front is coming.I'll visit Rudong on 31 Oct to see what are pushed down by the cold front.

Gretchen · Oct 31, 2009

Unsuccessful guess at weather and birds

I've been watching weather (esp. wind) more carefully recently trying to estimate the more likely times to see birds.

Well, last night was rainy and a new front (from the north) has been coming in for a day and a half, so I thought I should go out this morning and see if anything had been blown down and was looking for breakfast. It was cold (gone down probably 15 or more degrees Celsius in 36 hours) and no sign of the sun, and no sign of birds almost.

I waited until 7:30 a.m. thinking it would be too cold/dreary for them earlier, but I guess I should have gone earlier or later. Even the bulbul flock required hunting down - they were just starting to get active after 8:00 it seemed. The sparrows were hardly in evidence and the magpies subdued as well. Well, I can't blame them - very unpleasant to so suddenly have such cold weather.

Perhaps its getting late for the small migrants I might see in the trees and there are mostly just cranes to wait for - as the guys down the road in Beidaihe are doing?

MKinHK · Nov 1, 2009

Hi Gretchen

Keep at it! there are still plenty of birds coming through in November - I just looked back at my notebook from 1990 - I spent Nov 3-5 thre and had some of the most wonderful birding I've ever experienced - cranes, storks, Great Bustard, raptors, geese, Black Vulture, were the big visible migrants, but there were also plnty of geat passerines:
These included Siberian Accentor, Japanese and Bohemian Waxwings, Naumann's Thrush, lots of finches (including Hawfinch, Bullfinch, Siskin, rambling, Long-tailed Rosefinch, and Pallas' Rosefinch also goes through late) and buntings - Lapland, Pallas' Reed, Common Reed, Japanese Reed, Yellow-throated, Rustic, Little.

I've had plenty of days I expected to be great and were awful, especially with cold fronts. But you will be rewarded sooner rather than later!

Cheers
Mike

Gretchen · Nov 2, 2009

Thanks Mike, I know persistence is important. I'm just trying to get a better handle on the variables - with limited time, I'm trying to maximize my chances - though of course "chance" is still a big part I'm sure.

Thanks for your note on what you saw. I'm also using Rockfowl's thread from last year to get some ideas of what could still be around. The guys in Beidaihe also give some ideas (and I see they got pretty little on Sat. a.m. too - so at least it wasn't just me or my location). Anyway, you've mentioned lots of new birds it would be nice to see - not seen an accentor yet, nor rosefinch, nor a waxwing (in Asia).

I forgot to mention I did hear a bird on Sat. when I was in a mixed tree/grass kind of area. It had a very high, short, thin call (and irregular). I looked everywhere but didn't see any sign of the bird. (Yeah, mentioning waxwing made me remember this, but it wasn't quite like that.) I believe it wasn't bike brakes, but reminded me of that. Don't know if that brings to mind any possible candidates....

Tom, if you're around - what's weather and migration been like there?

mcaribou · Nov 4, 2009

Hi Mike
Have u seen yr Bluetail and GBThrush recently?
On 31 Oct around Shanghai there were still many Bluetail but just a few GBT.We met Japanese Thrush in several places.
Much more Eurasian Skylark,and 5 or more Black-faced Spoonbill,Great Bittern etc.
I also saw my first White Wagtail lugens this autumn on 1 Nov,chased by a landlord leucopsis.

Meanwhile,in this warmer autumn,there were still some flycatchers.

china guy · Nov 4, 2009

Hey guys - sorry to butt in but here's a good news story and a bit of inspiration for any China birder who confronts bird catchers and their nets.
I found some huge nets - last Friday - they were set up on a river bank for catching migratory Buzzards. They were over the other side of the river - I couldn't get to them - and since its usually so hard to get the authorities to do something - I felt very down knowing that this stuff was going on so close to where we live.
But after a chat with a local policeman - and the suggestion we travel to the forest dept - which has a wildlife protection team - in our neighbor town of Pixian - today we can report there are officials who care and act on this stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Within 15 minutes of getting to their office they had a car ready with a 3 person team to drive the 10km and then walk a couple of K's to the site of the nets. We got 3 huge nets - found the owners - luckily there were no birds caught - they gave warnings over prosecution if the net reappeared (I'm glad this was the way they handled this part- the people who put these nets up are quite poor) - and then burnt them on the spot!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm still dizzy - this is the country where you sometimes expect wait after wait after wait just to get the most simple legal matter solved - Pixian Wildlife Protection team - you guys are brilliant!!!!!
They talked of doing sweeps along other bigger rivers - and told us to get in contact if we found anything else.

If anybody here finds similar stuff in their neck of the woods - then its to get in touch with the forest department, and try and find their wildlife protection workers - and hope they're as active and enthusiastic as our local branch.

MKinHK · Nov 4, 2009

Still no GBT or Bluetail in HK . . . even afterour first cold front of the year came through on Monday night, but HK did have 5 Yellow-browed Buntings together on Tuesday - never appeared in anything except singles before.

However this is our "rare goose week" - lesser White-front, Bean and White-front have all turned up in the last five years as a first on this date, so . . . hoping for a biggie.

Cheers
Mike

PS well done to the Pixian wildlife protection officers. In my old job in HK we would write letters of appreciation for wildlife protection staff doing a good job - and because no-one ever encourages government officials it was greatly appreciated and helped to build good relations between HKBWS and govt officials.

Gretchen · Nov 4, 2009

china guy said:
If anybody here finds similar stuff in their neck of the woods - then its to get in touch with the forest department, and try and find their wildlife protection workers - and hope they're as active and enthusiastic as our local branch.

This is good news and a good reminder that I should find out who around here might be good to notify. I saw mist nets (and the guys) up in a less traveled part of lotus hills park (lianfeng shan) last spring and wasn't very sure if anything could be done about it. I know there is a forestry office (?) between here and Beidaihe - I don't know if they would be the most interested party or someone else...

china guy · Nov 5, 2009

Forestry Office is the place - if you go to environmental protection, which seems the logical choice for us, they just deal with stuff like road sweeping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Take bird books with you - so you look like your some kind of expert - and be super polite (Meggie is brilliant on getting on their good-side).

Those nets can spoil a whole day - and make you think twice about wanting to go back!!!!!!

The other choice is hang a notice on the nets - warning that they've been discovered and prosecution will take place if not removed.

Of course there are more radical solutions!!!!!!

Gretchen · Nov 11, 2009

Well, got out this past weekend, though quite briefly as it ended up. I started out on the sandflats in Beidaihe, but really thought I would blow away (well, actually my eyes were tearing so much I could barely see)- so went to the reservoir.

Little egrets still around in decent numbers. As a matter of fact at dusk they were sort of gathered together in the water, about 30 or so - not in a tight group, but all together. I was surprised that they stayed in the water (when I guess they weren't foraging), had thought they would roost in trees at night... Or was it still too early to go to the trees?

I'm getting better at identifying common goldeneye - good idea since they're common here |=)|

Saw a few green sands about - not sure how late they'll be staying. I'm beginning to recognize where they like to hang out too.

My two best birds were Winter Wren (my first wren in China!) and Elegant Buntings. I'm quite fond of wrens, though this one was giving me a good scolding I think. His "knee' dips with each call and his bouncing around a bit to call in different directions showed lots of animation - such small birds with such big characters!

The elegant buntings were definitely elegant (all males that I noted) - very handsome! I'm still very beginner at buntings, but that is an easy one |=)| Did expect to see more buntings that afternoon, but I got a late start and it got dark earlier than I expected. Anyway, nice to see what I did.

MKinHK · Nov 11, 2009

They're terrific birds - and Wren's are great too - we don't get them in HK so I appreciate them now far more than when I lived in the UK.

By coincidence I added elegant Bunting to my HK list on Sunday too - ony fly-by, but a great one to add to the 3 Yellow-browed Buntings also on Po Toi, plus the two of the day before at Kam Tin. Either of these would look VERY good on my patch list . . .

This is an amazing year for buntings - records numbers of Black-headed and Yellow-browed (about 10 of each - in normal years both are just about annual), plus decent numbers of Yellow-breasted, Chestnut-eared and Chestnut. Long may it continue.

Cheers
Mike

Gretchen · Nov 11, 2009

MKinHK said:
This is an amazing year for buntings ...

I don't know if it qualifies as "record", but I've been impressed with FXM's sightings of buntings in this area as seen here. (Sorry not sure how to show a single post!)

Mike, hope more of the bunting family make it to your patch! (Wonder, why they are getting more numerous there...)

Cheers!

Dong Bei · Nov 11, 2009

Hey guys, sorry to have stayed out of this for so long,

I have been incredibly busy lately and have only been out serious birding a few times in the last 3 weeks. I did get Greater Scaup the other day as a China life bird. Apparently its not too common around here either. The weather right now feels like January with wind chills near -10. All the Buntings are here. Bluetails passed through here about 2 weeks ago.

Part of my business has been the final process of getting a field guide for the area together. It's a picture guide to the common birds of Dalian and includes 185 species. Each species has 3 photos and a small written section describing identification, status in Dalian, and size. It's being done by Green Grants and NGO organization all over China. Translation is finished and now we are working on layout, printers, etc...

Have to run to work but will be back.

Tom

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