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Photographing insects in flight (1 Viewer)

imagedude

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I see many nice photos of insects on flowers etc but not many photos of insects in flight. Short of buying infra red triggers and the like, is it possible to photograph (slow) flying insects using a macro lens and ring flash. I was thinking of donning my running shoes and chasing after some insects with my Canon 300D, 100mm macro lens plus ring flash!

How close will I get to a stationary dragonfly before spooking it? Will a 100mm lens give me enough working distance or should I invest in a 180mm lens?

thanks in advance
Bob
 
imagedude said:
I see many nice photos of insects on flowers etc but not many photos of insects in flight. Short of buying infra red triggers and the like, is it possible to photograph (slow) flying insects using a macro lens and ring flash. I was thinking of donning my running shoes and chasing after some insects with my Canon 300D, 100mm macro lens plus ring flash!

How close will I get to a stationary dragonfly before spooking it? Will a 100mm lens give me enough working distance or should I invest in a 180mm lens?

thanks in advance
Bob

Hello Bob,

Before you splash out on any equipment try obtaining a copy of the book Borne on the Wind, by Stephen Dalton. 1975. ISBN 0 7011 2130 0 The author is a professional photographer who specialises in insects in flight.

Some of his pictures are unbelieveable, however he uses a lot of custom made equipment that is not available on the open market, much of which is described in detail. Special shutters and multiple flash units were necessary. Conventional flash was too slow and he used a flash duration of 1/20,000 second. This was developed for him at a cost of £400.00 (pre 1975 price, about £2500 in todays money) A special shutter was also developed to open and close in 1/500th of a second.
He admits to taking up to 900 pictures of one insect to get the picture he wanted. That's a lotta, lotta film.

An insect, even one flying quite slowly, will move some distance during the time an ordinary camera lens opens and closes, how you will keep it in focus will be problem enough, without the actual movement. I think additional lenses and a ring flash will be the least of your problems.

It will certainly be a lot cheaper taking pictures of insects at rest. Read the book first, then make up your mind as to whether you still want to photograph insects in flight.

Re, approaching Dragonflies, on a cool morning it is possible to even coax a resting dragonfly onto your fingers. The warmer the weather the harder it gets to get near them.

Harry
 
Thanks harry, I forgot about the high speed flash issue. I used to work with ultra high speed strobes but they were huge, not much use outside of a laboratory/studio enviroment. I'll capturing butterflies in flight using multiple flash at low power (1/5000 duration flash), that'll give me some idea of how difficult faster flying objects will be.
 
imagedude said:
Thanks harry, I forgot about the high speed flash issue. I used to work with ultra high speed strobes but they were huge, not much use outside of a laboratory/studio enviroment. I'll capturing butterflies in flight using multiple flash at low power (1/5000 duration flash), that'll give me some idea of how difficult faster flying objects will be.

Hello Bob,
Photography was so much simpler in my youth, the old 'Box Brownie' camera and a flaring match head for a 'flash.' ;)

Trying out what gear you have already is a good idea, before you re-mortgage the house to buy what you may need.

Harry
 
imagedude said:
How close will I get to a stationary dragonfly before spooking it? Will a 100mm lens give me enough working distance or should I invest in a 180mm lens?


Got up close to this one on my land - was a hot sunny afternoon, started with a 300 mm lens, then dropped down to a 50 mm lens as it allowed me to get literally a few centimetres from its resting perch. Flew off only after about ten minutes.

PS Harry, who is it?!
 

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Jos Stratford said:
Got up close to this one on my land - was a hot sunny afternoon, started with a 300 mm lens, then dropped down to a 50 mm lens as it allowed me to get literally a few centimetres from its resting perch. Flew off only after about ten minutes.

PS Harry, who is it?!

Hello Jos,

'Who' ;) is an immature or teneral Hairy Dragonfly Brachytron pratense. The abdominal markings are not fully developed as yet. A very nice picture.

Harry
 
harry eales said:
Hello Jos,

'Who' ;) is an immature or teneral Hairy Dragonfly Brachytron pratense. The abdominal markings are not fully developed as yet. A very nice picture.

Harry

Oo, thank you - hope I'm not asking too much, but I have another 'who' from my land!

Perhaps you could suggest a good fieldguide that would cover species in Lithuania, i.e. the Baltic States?
 

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Jos Stratford said:
Oo, thank you - hope I'm not asking too much, but I have another 'who' from my land!

Perhaps you could suggest a good fieldguide that would cover species in Lithuania, i.e. the Baltic States?

Hello again Jos,

Your photograph is of The Four-spotted Chaser Libellula quadrimaculata. A common species in your area. I have enhanced your photograph to make the spots more visible.

Recommending a 'good' Dragonfly guide for the Baltic states isn't quite so easy. Perhaps checking the website below, may give you the most recent titles that are available. I would recommend a book that gives 'larger than life' illustrations rather than life size, much of the fine detail is missing on the illustrations if they are small.

http://www.nhbs.com/

You can browse the site by subject or geozone. Be warned it is a very large site.

Perhaps one of our European members could suggest a title that would be of use to you.

Harry
 

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imagedude said:
Was that taken with a digital camera Jos?


Both were taken with the very same camera as you have, Canon D300. In both cases too, I snuck up close and used the 55 mm lens provided as standard. Found this to be the easiest way with both dragonflies and butterflies, though I usually grab a few shots with the 300 mm first, just in case they decide to go flitting off over the horizon
 
imagedude said:
I see many nice photos of insects on flowers etc but not many photos of insects in flight. Short of buying infra red triggers and the like, is it possible to photograph (slow) flying insects using a macro lens and ring flash. I was thinking of donning my running shoes and chasing after some insects with my Canon 300D, 100mm macro lens plus ring flash!

How close will I get to a stationary dragonfly before spooking it? Will a 100mm lens give me enough working distance or should I invest in a 180mm lens?

thanks in advance
Bob

To answer the last question first, how close you can get depends on the time of day. Early in the morning you can use a 50mm lens as the creatures are inactive. As the air warms, and they become more active, you need a longer lens. My experience is that 100mm is not enough, though it can be done, as long as the insect is not active. A 200mm micro lens makes the task so much easier and with a 400mm (plus extension rings) it is very easy. However, the image quality of a Nikon 40mm AIS lens + extension tube was noticeably lower than that of the Nikon 200mm AIS micro lens and I much prefer the latter. If you use flash as the main light source, you will get an unnatural look. If you use natural light, you will need a solid tripod.

To answer the first question, I recall two photographers who succeeded in taking pictures of insects in flight. Both used highly specialised and expensive equipment. See the book Insects in Flight by John Brackenbury and http://www.andyharmer.com/ for example pictures by Andy Harmer.

Leif
 
HarassedDad said:
The classic field guide for european dragonflies is "The field guide to the dragonflies of Britain,Europe and North Africa" by d'Aguilar, Dommanget and Prechac.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0002194368/qid=1118445153/202-4618021-5382224
but there's a new edition due soon and probably worth waiting for.
There's also "the dragonflies of europe" by askew, but I haven't seen a copy:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos...sr_1_11_7/202-4618021-5382224#product-details

I'd recommend Askew before d'Aguilar et Dommanget if you like recognisable drawings!
I heard rumours that Lewington is doing a European dragonfly guide. When Steve Covey gets back from Greece he might fill in the details.
Ken
 
Bumble Bee in flight

Tried a series of bumble bee shots:- flash sync 1/500, pre focused next to the thistle head, any thoughts ?
 

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raggetty said:
Tried a series of bumble bee shots:- flash sync 1/500, pre focused next to the thistle head, any thoughts ?

Those are nice shots. What F number and ISO did you use? Presumably a Nikon D70 given the flash sync speed?

Leif
 
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