which fooled anthropologists for 40 years
Curtis Croulet said:Some anthropologists. But I've had my say about this topic.
curunir said:So what is the simplest answer?
buck3m said:The audio is simply a combination of one or more: jays, guns, etc.
That explains:
Why they didn't HEAR the wings.,
Why they didn't SEE most of the main identifiers,
Why no verifiable ivory-bill photos have been taken in 60 years,
Why there were no GOOD CLOSE observations of the bird. Good views weren't confused with IBWs
Why there's only poor, FUZZY photographic evidence. Good photos and video would not reveal an IBW.
Why no IBWs appear on remote camera,
Why easily found and spotted birds have become so elusive,
Why no dead specimens have been found.
buck3m said:(Note: if it were me, I'd have a mental list of each major identifying characteristic, knowing that I would be asked about it later.)
affe22 said:It's kind of silly to sit on the computer and say that we would do otherwise in that situation because none of us has ever been even close to that situation and I'm sure we'd all lose careful focus.
timeshadowed said:Can HGR PROVE that the IBWO is indeed extinct??
It sounds to me like HGR has some 'axe to grind'! I would like to know just what that AXE is!
I do quite a bit of observation of the Bald Eagle and I can tell you that sometimes it is very difficult to "see clearly" the white head and/or tail of the eagle...etc.
affe22 said:Sorry I missed this. If I were someone watching a species that was supposed to be extinct fly past me, I think I wouldn't be paying extremely careful attention to every field mark I should. As buck has stated, people do make mistakes. I think I would be so excited that the adrenaline rush would overcome the "I need to pay close attention" and I have a hard time believing anyone would stay very calm at that moment. It's kind of silly to sit on the computer and say that we would do otherwise in that situation because none of us has ever been even close to that situation and I'm sure we'd all lose careful focus.
humminbird said:I do not find the "easy to find" contention supported by what these early century observers recall.
affe22 said:I think I would be so excited that the adrenaline rush would overcome the "I need to pay close attention" and I have a hard time believing anyone would stay very calm at that moment.
affe22 said:Do we know they didn't hear the wings or see the identifiers?
affe22 said:The jay theory is as ridiculous to me as the IBWP sounds are to skeptics.
affe22 said:Why would someone be out there with IBWP sounds when hardly anyone knew what the small group was looking for? Don't you think they could establish that someone was playing an old recording?
BarbaraM said:Did they all experience hallucinations? Barbara
buck3m said:Let's establish this: do you believe that
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."
In California it was widely believed that mountain lions wouldn't hurt people until they bagged a few kids and joggers. The point being is that all previous claims of mountain lion attacks were poo pooed and dismissed and more importantly, never officially recorded as mountain lion attacks. And with as many as there are out there, I have never seen a mountain lion, or bear, or deer, dead of natural causes. I still think the big pecker lives!timeshadowed said:It seems to me that all of HGR's questions and statements START with the fundamental belief that the IBWO was/is extinct.
He needs to be fair and consider the 'other side of the coin'. He needs to start asking questions as to why the 'experts' ever began thinking that the IBWO was extinct in the first place.
Why didn't the 'experts' follow-up on some of the 'sightings' by hunters/fishermen???
Until HGR starts asking 'fair' questions, his views are going to remain unpopular with some on this forum.
TimeShadowed
timeshadowed said:No! And again a great big NO OOOOOO ooooo!!!
timeshadowed said:It seems to me that all of HGR's questions and statements START with the fundamental belief that the IBWO was/is extinct.
He needs to be fair and consider the 'other side of the coin'. He needs to start asking questions as to why the 'experts' ever began thinking that the IBWO was extinct in the first place.
Until HGR starts asking 'fair' questions, his views are going to remain unpopular with some on this forum.
timeshadowed said:Why didn't the 'experts' follow-up on some of the 'sightings' by hunters/fishermen???
gws said:The notion that "why hasn't a dead IBWO been found?" is simply ABSURD.
Well, for one, I spent a few weeks in the swamps of east Texas looking for space shuttle debris.gws said:I do not wish to be unfriendly, but do some of our armchair experts understand the jungle that some of the Deep South swamps are?
timeshadowed said:I do quite a bit of observation of the Bald Eagle and I can tell you that sometimes it is very difficult to "see clearly" the white head and/or tail of the eagle.
timeshadowed said:I definitely think someone has an axe to grind, and have felt that for a while.