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Old Friday 23rd November 2007, 21:43   #1
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Grebe Wales

Is this a red necked grebe? sorry for poor picture,taken in pouring rain,just after I dropped and lost shutter relise cable in the sea!
2 Grebes at Aber Dysnni,Tywyn.
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Old Friday 23rd November 2007, 21:48   #2
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Is this a red necked grebe? sorry for poor picture,taken in pouring rain,just after I dropped and lost shutter relise cable in the sea!
2 Grebes at Aber Dysnni,Tywyn.
James, this is a little grebe (aka dabchick) in winter plumage.

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Old Friday 23rd November 2007, 22:01   #3
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Old Saturday 24th November 2007, 00:05   #4
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Hi James. Yes, this is a Red Necked Grebe. Not a Little Grebe, due to large bill and general structure being wrong for Little. It is facing the camera slightly, making it appear smaller, but the head is clearly rather large.

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Old Saturday 24th November 2007, 00:22   #5
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I see a little grebe here, but would like to see more photos if there are any as we know they can be misleading. Reasons for little - clear cap with buff cheeks, RN should have a more blurred demarcation with cheek smudgings, the bill is all pale, RN should have a distinct yellow base contrasting with the rest.
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Old Saturday 24th November 2007, 07:11   #6
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I'd go with Little Grebe as well..for reasons Nick has given.

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Old Saturday 24th November 2007, 07:54   #7
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Here'a a better shot of a different little grebe in winter plumage, your bird looks identical to me. http://www.pbase.com/kingfisher/image/54040344

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Old Saturday 24th November 2007, 09:23   #8
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Yes, this is a Red Necked Grebe.
No. It is a little grebe.

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Old Saturday 24th November 2007, 09:26   #9
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Hi James
Yes i agree with most and go with Little grebe too small for RN Grebe
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I'm sticking by RN Grebe. although 5 against 1 aint good! Have you got anymore pics James? You must have thought these were RNG for some reason?!

Heres a pic of a Red necked grebe for comparrison. Note head structure, which matches the bird in question, IMO.
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Heres a pic of a Red necked grebe for comparrison. Note head structure, which matches the bird in question, IMO.
The Eurasian Dabchick has "no" neck. It has no yellow bill base. It has a thickish short bill. I cannot see any similarity!! They are not even in the same genus. Both are grebes I suppose....

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Old Saturday 24th November 2007, 10:25   #12
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The Eurasian Dabchick has "no" neck. It has no yellow bill base. It has a thickish short bill. I cannot see any similarity!! They are not even in the same genus. Both are grebes I suppose....

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Indeed - Little Grebe for me also.

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How weird! Just shows that the two can indeed look similar! Never occurred to me before!

To support the Little grebe camp, to me the bird looks large-headed and small-bodied - a classic combination for small birds. The shortness and thickness of the bill, along with the colour, also rule out Red-necked in my opinion.

RNG has a long, triangular head shape, this has a bumpy look to it.

All scientific stuff, the way I identify birds.

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Old Saturday 24th November 2007, 10:45   #14
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Hi lewis20126. Chill out, yeah?

I think I may be reading too much into the angle here, and no-one else can see it, so I'll let it go.

I cant help wondering why the photographer questioned the birds in the field though. There almost impossible birds to confuse (unless its a funny angled pic of the bird sitting low in the water that is... :P)

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Old Saturday 24th November 2007, 11:24   #15
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I'm sticking by RN Grebe. although 5 against 1 aint good! Have you got anymore pics James? You must have thought these were RNG for some reason?!

Heres a pic of a Red necked grebe for comparrison. Note head structure, which matches the bird in question, IMO.
i agree you j ,it looks to heavy to be a little grebe
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Old Saturday 24th November 2007, 11:28   #16
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It's a Little Grebe. It really is, RN Grebe is not an option!
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I can see where your coming from but a little grebe for me.
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afraid I'm also in the Little Grebe camp on this one.
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Bugger, looks like your all stacking up against me! Well, I gotta go to work. I expect you all to have changed your tunes by the time I get back

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I think it's a "hybrid Little × Red-necked Grebe", just like that "Pied-billed Grebe" in the Netherlands a month ago... I'm kidding (I'd bet on Little), but with such pictures, anything is possible apparently!
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I think it's a "hybrid Little × Red-necked Grebe", just like that "Pied-billed Grebe" in the Netherlands a month ago... I'm kidding (I'd bet on Little), but with such pictures, anything is possible apparently!
What about an "Escape"

Well I thought i'd just say it before anyone else!
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Old Saturday 24th November 2007, 12:26   #22
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It's a Little Grebe!
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Old Saturday 24th November 2007, 15:24   #23
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Had a spot of trouble myself with possible RNG recently, but from the picture the bill looks certainly too stubby. I just showed the layperson girlfriend comparison pictures and she could see the difference right away.
Sometimes, I think a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
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Old Saturday 24th November 2007, 17:51   #24
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My first impression was Little Grebe but I pondered on winter plumaged Pied for a second but it just doesn't look right so I will stick with my first.
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As stated by just about everyone. A clear Little Grebe
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