[GMJH]

Took this yesterday pretty much right on the Mexican border in Texas which made me wonder it's Neotropic. If it's Double Crested can someone tell me how they're told apart. They look almost identical in photos to me.

[Pagan Birder]

I'd say Neotropic

Jan

[atricapillus]

Originally Posted by GMJH

Took this yesterday pretty much right on the Mexican border in Texas which made me wonder it's Neotropic. If it's Double Crested can someone tell me how they're told apart. They look almost identical in photos to me.

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Howdy,
My take is that this is a double-crested. The eye looking green makes me wonder a little, and the cheek patch is not that bright (my caveats), but the back border of the bare gular patch does not come to an acute angle as it should if a Neotrop.
Also the bill looks pretty stout. Neotrops also tend to look slim and stretched out. The tail on this bird looks short, and the neck and head look stout enough for a Double-crested.
My thoughts.
CHEERS, JOE G

[njlarsen]

Some of the same features as Joe mention is discussed here. I would like a crop showing just the head, but I think Joe is right on this one.

Niels

[Pagan Birder]

I thought it looked very rangy looking...and also thought the eye and size of gular patch both better for Neotropic...I've zero experience of either though...

Jan

[GMJH]

Originally Posted by njlarsen

Some of the same features as Joe mention is discussed here. I would like a crop showing just the head, but I think Joe is right on this one.

Niels

ok crop below (though it's not very good quality) I'm with Jan and still lean toward Neotropic if only because it seemed quite small too. (though I know that can be decpetive) Is the rest of the jury leaning heavily toward Double-Crested?

[GMJH]

Originally Posted by GMJH

ok crop below (though it's not very good quality) I'm with Jan and still lean toward Neotropic if only because it seemed quite small too. (though I know that can be decpetive) Is the rest of the jury leaning heavily toward Double-Crested?

Just looking at similiar threads here. Doesn't the lack of any orange/yellow around the eye itself point to Neotropic?

[rjackb]

Originally Posted by GMJH

Just looking at similiar threads here. Doesn't the lack of any orange/yellow around the eye itself point to Neotropic?

I think it does. Two other common distinguishing characteristics, a very angular base for the bill and longer tail for the Neotropic, are hard to discern from the photo.

[njlarsen]

I think the best thing to notice on the zoomed in picture is the area between eye and culmen which should be yellowish bare skin in DCC but covered with short brownish feathering in NC; that looks to go for NC in your bird. The angle of the gular patch was not a 100% thing I believe, and is anyway not that clear from this image due to the angle being from the rear.

Niels

[GMJH]

Originally Posted by njlarsen

I think the best thing to notice on the zoomed in picture is the area between eye and culmen which should be yellowish bare skin in DCC but covered with short brownish feathering in NC; that looks to go for NC in your bird. The angle of the gular patch was not a 100% thing I believe, and is anyway not that clear from this image due to the angle being from the rear.

Niels

ok thanks very much everyone, Neotropic it is then.

[Jeff hopkins]

I'll cast another vote for neotropic. It's more a jizz thing with me, but neotropics always seem to have long, skinny, scruffy tails and double-cresteds don't. Put that with the limited orange on the face and I go neotropic.

[Gavin Bieber]

Certainly a Neotropic.