[bradinho]

Discussion thread for Gayton Sands. If you would like to add a comment, click the Post Reply button.

[bradinho]

Can we change the name of this to RSPB Dee Estuary - Parkgate please?

[delia todd]

Yes, Bradinho, we can change the names for articles.

However, we won't put RSPB in the title, as ownership can change; we prefer to use that as a Category.

I see there are currently 3 articles for the area of the Dee Estuary, and am thinking about naming it "Parkgate (Dee Estuary)" and doing similar with the other two - "Point of Ayr" and "Red Rocks. With in addition adding a new Category for the Dee Estuary.

Your further thoughts on this would be appreciated and I'd like to see what the other Opus Editors think too.

D

[Keith Dickinson]

Excellent idea to bring together the Dee Estuary articles by adding the Category, that should make it that much easier for people researching the area as a whole.
Would you add the bracketed term to the other two articles though?

[njlarsen]

I don't know the area, but generally like the idea of bringing related sites together. If we put the bracket into the title of one then all three should have it I think.

[delia todd]

Yes, that was my thoughts when I wrote the above. I'd searched for Parkgate and came across a mention of one in America (but now I see it's in a binocular review LOL).

So, not sure now whether, in fact, to included Dee Estuary in the title?

D

[the black fox]

as a local resident (i overlook the whole dee estuary) i think your knowledge of the area and terrain is limiting your titles ,you have the english side which encompasses the marshes ,inner marsh farm rspb,gayton sands rspb,then on to west kirby and redrocks ,hilbre island stuck in the middle of the estuary.
then on the welsh side theres connahs quay n/r, flint marshes ,greenfield valley and area,then on to talacre ,point of ayr ,and gronant .
its a massive area with very diverse locations and wildlife so a far better title would simply be the dee estuary wildlife

[delia todd]

Originally Posted by the black fox

as a local resident (i overlook the whole dee estuary) i think your knowledge of the area and terrain is limiting your titles,

That's why we look for help from members, like you, who do know the area

you have the english side which encompasses the marshes ,inner marsh farm rspb,gayton sands rspb,then on to west kirby and redrocks ,hilbre island stuck in the middle of the estuary.
then on the welsh side theres connahs quay n/r, flint marshes ,greenfield valley and area,then on to talacre ,point of ayr ,and gronant .
its a massive area with very diverse locations and wildlife so a far better title would simply be the dee estuary wildlife

What is currently being discussed, is to re-name "Gayton Sands" and call it Parkgate instead and creating a new category/article for the Dee Estuary, where all the reserves that we have articles for (and new ones that may be created) will be listed. For an example of this, see Cairngorms National Park.

It's easy to start new articles, we just need someone to put information and a picture on them

D

[bradinho]

Originally Posted by delia todd

That's why we look for help from members, like you, who do know the area



What is currently being discussed, is to re-name "Gayton Sands" and call it Parkgate instead and creating a new category/article for the Dee Estuary, where all the reserves that we have articles for (and new ones that may be created) will be listed. For an example of this, see Cairngorms National Park.

It's easy to start new articles, we just need someone to put information and a picture on them

D

Hi People thanks for the input, I thought that the sections were for specific birdwatching sites so hence putting the RSPB in there. However, I feel that this should be credited as RSPB own or manage more than half of the estuary.

We tend to split the RSPB Dee Estuary reserve into 3 principal sites - IMF (soon to be Burton Mere Wetlands), Parkgate and POA.

We don't use the name Gayton Sands anymore (try the weblink - it doesn't work!) as we found that the site (out in the middle of the estuary) was inaccessible and the place was difficult to find on a map! SO initially I was pushing to remove this dead link and references to this "mythical" place but I guess the whole thing needs to be sorted.

We also refer to four minor spots on the RSPB reserve too -
Burton Marsh (best viewed from Denhall Lane and the Marsh Road),
Decca Pools (a short walk form either Denhall Lane or Denhall Old Quay),
Neston Reed Bed
Flint and Oakenholt Marshes (Best viewed from Flint castle or the embankment around Flint lifeboat station)

Outside of the reserve you have a fair few more sites that are excellent for bird watching and make up the rest of the SSSI, SPA and Ramsar site(s) such as Red Rocks, Hoylake, Hilbre Island etc but I can't really comment on those too much.

[delia todd]

Away back in the day of early Opus discussions, it was decided not to have the 'ownership' in the titles of articles, but for the likes of the RSPB, Scottish Wildlife Trust etc, we would create categories instead. The ownership can change, whereas the site itself will likely stay. Killiecrankie was one such that is no longer in RSPB ownership.

All the RSPB reserves currently in Opus are listed HERE and we'd do something similar for the Dee Estuary.

If I start the Category page for the Dee Estuary, would you be prepared to add some information to it, as a sort of Overview? This page would then gather together all the articles for the area, Welsh and English.

The other places you mention as the "minor spots" - do any of them warrant articles to themselves, or should/could they be better mentioned under "Other Nearby Sites".

D

[bradinho]

Originally Posted by delia todd

Away back in the day of early Opus discussions, it was decided not to have the 'ownership' in the titles of articles, but for the likes of the RSPB, Scottish Wildlife Trust etc, we would create categories instead. The ownership can change, whereas the site itself will likely stay. Killiecrankie was one such that is no longer in RSPB ownership.

All the RSPB reserves currently in Opus are listed HERE and we'd do something similar for the Dee Estuary.

If I start the Category page for the Dee Estuary, would you be prepared to add some information to it, as a sort of Overview? This page would then gather together all the articles for the area, Welsh and English.

The other places you mention as the "minor spots" - do any of them warrant articles to themselves, or should/could they be better mentioned under "Other Nearby Sites".

D

I am quite happy to contribute to any of your pages as I have the luxury of being based here!

[delia todd]

Originally Posted by bradinho

I am quite happy to contribute to any of your pages as I have the luxury of being based here!

Great! Thanks so much.

I've now started the Dee Estuary page, and added the tiniest bit of info to it, which you can change at will by clicking the Edit tab at the top of the article. Anyone searching Opus for the Dee Estuary will be taken to that page.

You'll see the three current articles for the area are listed on the page too.

A picture showing the habitat (or a landscape) would be a great addition

Don't be afraid to ask for help if you need to know how to continue, or wish to start new articles for the area.

Oh! And I've now re-named Gayton Sands to Parkgate!

D

[chris butterworth]

Burton Mere Wetlands???????????


IMF 'til I die

Chris

[delia todd]

Oh yes... forgot that one... apart from International Monetary Fund, what does IMF stand for?

D

[Bananafishbones]

Originally Posted by delia todd

Oh yes... forgot that one... apart from International Monetary Fund, what does IMF stand for?

D

Inner Marsh Farm, but looks like it is going to have a change of name once it is all open to the public

[chris butterworth]

Originally Posted by delia todd

Oh yes... forgot that one... apart from International Monetary Fund, what does IMF stand for?

D

Be sensible D. We're talking about important stuff

Chris

[delia todd]

Thanks Dave - I knew I could rely on you for a sensible answer

Ah! Enlightenment - there's a thread for that place somewhere, isn't there. It could be linked to the article when it gets done.

D

[chris butterworth]

Originally Posted by delia todd

Thanks Dave - I knew I could rely on you for a sensible answer


D

Don't look at me!

Chris

[bradinho]

Originally Posted by chris butterworth

Burton Mere Wetlands???????????


IMF 'til I die

Chris

I'll let Colin know :)

[bradinho]

Originally Posted by delia todd

Great! Thanks so much.

I've now started the Dee Estuary page, and added the tiniest bit of info to it, which you can change at will by clicking the Edit tab at the top of the article. Anyone searching Opus for the Dee Estuary will be taken to that page.

You'll see the three current articles for the area are listed on the page too.

A picture showing the habitat (or a landscape) would be a great addition

Don't be afraid to ask for help if you need to know how to continue, or wish to start new articles for the area.

Oh! And I've now re-named Gayton Sands to Parkgate!

D

Thanks, I'm working on it

Can we add a section for Inner Marsh Farm tto please? I'll add the info about that and when the name change occurs I'll let you know ASAP

[delia todd]

Originally Posted by bradinho

Thanks, I'm working on it

Can we add a section for Inner Marsh Farm tto please? I'll add the info about that and when the name change occurs I'll let you know ASAP

Done IMF.

Thanks very much Bradinho.

D

[bradinho]

Originally Posted by delia todd

Done IMF.

Thanks very much Bradinho.

D

Thanks again - I've done as much as I can from the top of my head! How do you add photos? and where?

[delia todd]

Originally Posted by bradinho

Thanks again - I've done as much as I can from the top of my head! How do you add photos? and where?

Brilliant - coming on nicely - very well done

Adding photos is quite easy, though there's a few steps and it's easiest if you have a couple of tabs open in your browser.

1: Save a copy of your picture(s) to your desk top (these should be within the normal forum size limits)

2: From any Opus page click on the Upload File link (in the LH pane)

3: Browse for your picture and add some info about it in the box; click on Upload

4: Copy the name of the file (exactly), which will be something like

Image:Inner Marsh Farm West.jpg

5: In the Inner Marsh Farm article open the whole page for editing by using the Edit tab.

6: At the very top of the article, underneath the {{Stub}}/{{Incompletelocation}} coding (if there), insert this:

[[Image:FILENAME.JPG|thumb|550px|right|Photo by {{user|bradinho|bradinho}}<br />LOCATION & DATE]]

Replacing FILENAME.JPG with the actual file name you have copied from the upload and LOCATION & DATE with some information about the picture, for instance, "View from West Hide, winter 2007".

Click on Preview to check it has worked, then save.

It's actually easier to do than it is to explain!

Additional pictures can be inserted at different points in the article, but should be resized to 350px.

If it doesn't work, and you can't see why, Save anyway - an Opus Editor can usually sort it.

D