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Old Monday 2nd April 2012, 18:15   #1
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Raptor - id please

ID please, taken just after dawn over high moorland N Wales. Sorry about the quality - had to use very high iso. Not edited - just cropped
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Old Monday 2nd April 2012, 18:18   #2
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Common Buzzard
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Old Monday 2nd April 2012, 18:21   #3
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Don't think so.
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Old Monday 2nd April 2012, 18:23   #4
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Don't think so.
Why not??
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Old Monday 2nd April 2012, 18:26   #5
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Becaue I was with 2 very extremely experienced birders, one a professional, not photographers, they told me it was either or ...I don't want to confuse matters so I left it open, but I cannot get the large version uploaded - just this thumbnail!
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Old Monday 2nd April 2012, 18:27   #6
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Don't think so.
I do, suppose you were thinking Harrier Sp.?
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Why not??
Yes, why not?

We can only judge from 1 photograph, you were the obeserver Kim - what makes you think it's not a Common Buzzard?
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Old Monday 2nd April 2012, 18:34   #8
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I had no opinion, the light was poor - I am poor on raptors, I am just going on my two "experts" Lol! IU have attached another. sorry for poor quality
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Old Monday 2nd April 2012, 18:55   #9
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Old Monday 2nd April 2012, 18:56   #10
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Definitely Common Buzzard.
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Old Monday 2nd April 2012, 18:59   #12
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If the first pic left any room for doubt, the second definitely says.. Buzzard!
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It's a Common Buzzard. I'm intrigued to know what the 'experienced birders' thought it was.
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I'm guessing they told you it was a Rough Legged Buzzard? I'm only 15 so take whatever I say with a pinch of salt. Although appears pale (atleast on my screen), the 'upper wing converts' on RLB are considerably paler than those on Common Buzzards (look at me...getting all precise!) The second photo shows quite dark 'upper wing coverts', it is likely to be a Common Buzzard.

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Fair enough and thank you, I shall get back to the experts with your opinion. A Goshawk had been seen 15 minutes earlier and a Harrier.when this flew over I just took pics without a look.incidentally it was in Black Grouse country which I can identify!!!I did send the first pic to one of the "experts" and he thought it was the hawk!!!!

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Fair enough and thank you, I shall get back to the experts with your opinion. A Goshawk had been seen 15 minutes earlier and a Harrier.when this flew over I just took pics without a look.incidentally it was in Black Grouse country which I can identify!!!I did send the first pic to one of the "experts" and he thought it was the hawk!!!!
without sounding too flippant, id say your expert isnt an expert either! lol ;-P
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Second image absolutely clinches the ID as Common Buzzard, can't see much in the first image that says Goshawk.

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This is a Buzzard that is fairly common.
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Another vote for Buzzard.

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I had no opinion, the light was poor - I am poor on raptors, I am just going on my two "experts" Lol! IU have attached another. sorry for poor quality
One of the best ways to identify your flying raptors from underneath is the wing pattern. This one screams Buzzard and is definitely NOT a Goshawk.

Even though the second picture is fuzzy, its still very good for catching it on the fly.
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