[Richard Klim]

Fabre, Irestedt, Fjeldså, Bristol, Groombridge, Irham & Jønsson (in press). Dynamic colonization exchanges between continents and islands drive diversification in paradise-flycatchers (Terpsiphone, Monarchidae). J Biogeogr. [abstract] [supp info]

[Markus Lagerqvist]

Sounds exciting! Does anyone have access, would be interesting to read!

[dnsallen]

The supplementary info suggests that the T. cinnamomea sspp have been studied. T.c. unirufa and T.c. cinnamomea are possible splits based on colour, tail and vocalisations so it will be interesting to see if they comment on that. I couldn't interpret the distances they quote with the various different measures employed.

[Richard Klim]

John Boyd (TiF):
www.jboyd.net/Taxo/changes.html [27 Aug 2012]
www.jboyd.net/Taxo/List19.html#monarchidae

[Richard Klim]

Terpsiphone (paradisi) incei, T (p) affinis, T (p) floris and T (cinnamomea) unirufa listed as proposed splits, and T (viridis) rufocinerea as a proposed lump.

[jacana]

Originally Posted by Richard Klim

Terpsiphone (paradisi) incei, T (p) affinis, T (p) floris and T (cinnamomea) unirufa listed as proposed splits, and T (viridis) rufocinerea as a proposed lump.

That could cause problems for people who have birded SE Asia in the winter!

[viator]

IOC Proposed splits now lists T. incei with a DEL status - others still PS

From http://www.worldbirdnames.org/updates/proposed-splits/

DEL 3.2 East Asian Paradise Flycatcher Terpsiphone incei [South] Asian Paradise Flycatcher T. paradisi Fabre et al 2012, TIF; monotypic, English name provisional; mtDNA introgression issues require nDNA evaluation (FR)

[Snapdragyn]

Originally Posted by jacana

That could cause problems for people who have birded SE Asia in the winter!

Yup, I'll lose one - the armchair giveth, & the armchair taketh away. *sigh*

[jacana]

Originally Posted by viator

DEL 3.2 East Asian Paradise Flycatcher Terpsiphone incei [South] Asian Paradise Flycatcher T. paradisi Fabre et al 2012, TIF; monotypic, English name provisional; mtDNA introgression issues require nDNA evaluation (FR)

Wait, what? Can someone explain why it's being deleted when it isn't even an accepted split yet? Is it proposing to just lump it back with paradisi or remove the taxon altogether? Am I just being thick?

[Richard Klim]

Originally Posted by viator

IOC Proposed splits now lists T. incei with a DEL status - others still PS

If Terpsiphone (paradisi) incei isn't split, then Fabre et al's results suggest that incei would be better treated as a subspecies of Japanese Paradise Flycatcher T atrocaudata.

PS. But Frank Rheindt suspects that Fabre et al's data artificially pairs incei with T atrocaudata as a result of past introgression of atrocaudata mtDNA.

[dnsallen]

Proposed names: South-east Asian Paradise Flycatcher, South Asian Paradise Flycatcher, East Asian Paradise Flycatcher... catchy?

[Richard Klim]

Bristol, Fabre, Irestedt, Jønsson, Shah, Tatayah, Warren & Groombridge (in press). Molecular phylogeny of the Indian Ocean Terpsiphone paradise flycatchers: undetected evolutionary diversity revealed amongst island populations. Mol Phylogenet Evol. [abstract]

"We identify six ESUs worthy of management as if they were separate species."

1. Terpsiphone corvina
2. Terpsiphone (mutata) vulpina (incl voeltzkowiana)
3. Terpsiphone (mutata) mutata (incl singetra, pretiosa)
4. Terpsiphone (mutata) comorensis
5. Terpsiphone (bourbonnensis) bourbonnensis
6. Terpsiphone (bourbonnensis) desolata

Moeliker 2006 (HBW 11):

• Seychelles Paradise Flycatcher (Terpsiphone corvina)
• Malagasy Paradise Flycatcher (Terpsiphone mutata)
• Mascarene Paradise Flycatcher (Terpsiphone bourbonnensis)

[jacana]

Findings in short:

Madagascar Paradise Flycatcher Terpsiphone mutata should be treated as 3 species:

T. vulpina (incl. voeltzkowiana) from Anjouan & Moheli respectively (I think vulpina has priority)
T. mutata (incl. singetra & pretiosa) from Madagascar and Mayotte
T. comorensis from Grand Comoro

Mascarene Paradise Flycatcher Terpsiphone bourbonnensis should be split into:

T. bourbonnensis from Réunion
T. desolata from Mauritius

[mb1848]

"I think vulpina has priority"
Yes Edward Newton, T. vulpina 1877 PZS.
http://www.restoredprints.com/KLM001.htm .
Gustav Stresemann T. voeltzkowiana 1924 Orn. Monatsb.

[creedence]

What about the Taiwan birds on Lanyu Island, T a periophthalmica ?

[jacana]

Originally Posted by creedence

What about the Taiwan birds on Lanyu Island, T a periophthalmica ?

Neither paper makes any mention of this population.


Seems like I cross posted with Richard's edit too, sorry!

[Richard Klim]

Originally Posted by jacana

Seems like I cross posted with Richard's edit too, sorry!

No problem, Will. Always much better to duplicate than omit.

[Richard Klim]

Originally Posted by Richard Klim

Fabre, Irestedt, Fjeldså, Bristol, Groombridge, Irham & Jønsson (in press). Dynamic colonization exchanges between continents and islands drive diversification in paradise-flycatchers (Terpsiphone, Monarchidae). J Biogeogr. [abstract] [supp info]

J Biogeogr 39(10), 1900–1918. [pdf]

[jacana]

On a more important note, does Jon Fjeldså actually sleep at all?

[Richard Klim]

Originally Posted by jacana

On a more important note, does Jon Fjeldså actually sleep at all?

Well, he's clearly too busy to shave.
http://snm.ku.dk/english/staffsnm/vip/profile/?id=75192

Looking forward to his systematics chapter in the forthcoming HBW Special Volume...

[Markus Lagerqvist]

Originally Posted by jacana

Findings in short:

Madagascar Paradise Flycatcher Terpsiphone mutata should be treated as 3 species:

T. vulpina (incl. voeltzkowiana) from Anjouan & Moheli respectively (I think vulpina has priority)
T. mutata (incl. singetra & pretiosa) from Madagascar and Mayotte
T. comorensis from Grand Comoro

A cuople of nice airmchair ticks there They don't suggest a common name for the Anjouan/Mohéli species do they?

Must be the first bird species endemic to these two islands combined? Although there is an example among the mammals - Livingstone’s Fruit Bat!

[jacana]

Originally Posted by Markus Lagerqvist

A cuople of nice airmchair ticks there They don't suggest a common name for the Anjouan/Mohéli species do they?

Must be the first bird species endemic to these two islands combined? Although there is an example among the mammals - Livingstone’s Fruit Bat!

They do not. They don't explicitly say these should be split, rather that, as Richard has quoted, "We identify six ESUs worthy of management as if they were separate species."

If it was up to me I'd be tempted to call them 'Pale Paradise Flycatcher'. Going on the illustration in the paper they seem to be paler than the others and I can't think of a convenient geographical term considering two other 'species' also are on the Comoros...

[Richard Klim]

Originally Posted by Richard Klim

Bristol, Fabre, Irestedt, Jønsson, Shah, Tatayah, Warren & Groombridge (in press). Molecular phylogeny of the Indian Ocean Terpsiphone paradise flycatchers: undetected evolutionary diversity revealed amongst island populations. Mol Phylogenet Evol. [abstract]

Bristol et al (in press). [pdf]

[Richard Klim]

Originally Posted by Richard Klim

Bristol, Fabre, Irestedt, Jønsson, Shah, Tatayah, Warren & Groombridge (in press). Molecular phylogeny of the Indian Ocean Terpsiphone paradise flycatchers: undetected evolutionary diversity revealed amongst island populations. Mol Phylogenet Evol. [abstract]

David Callahan, Birdwatch Listcheck, 27 Mar 2013: Ocean flycatcher paradise.