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King & Clapper Rails
Rush, Gaines, Eddleman & Conway 2012. Clapper Rail Rallus longirostris. BNA Online.
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Proposes four species (tenuirostris is treated as a ssp of R obsoletus):Pieplow 2012. King and Clapper Rails. Earbirding.com. Taylor 1996 (HBW 3): Last edited by Richard Klim : Friday 17th August 2012 at 18:31. Reason: 4 spp. |
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I've had to bite my tongue on this split for some time now (James Maley is our new collections manager, and gave a presentation on this last spring). Glad to see it finally published!
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When the BNA Online species account for Clapper Rail was revised by Scott Rush & Karen Gaines (19 June), I just did my usual check for any changes to the subspecies recognised - but somehow completely missed the reference to James Maley's recent research! It was only Nathan Pieplow's thought-provoking post on Earbirding.com yesterday that made me check the species account more carefully, and then trace the dissertation.
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Hmm, and if the AOU makes the (unlikely) decision to change the English name of a newly split R. crepitans in order to avoid confusion, one possibility (based on the Latin name 'crepitans') would be 'Rattling Rail' - which would produce a banding code of RARA (rah ah aaa-aah... rah mah, rah mah maaah).
*waits around to see if there are any other pop music fans on the board to get that one* |
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When AOU recognised R obsoletus 'California Clapper Rail' and R crepitans as distinct species, the latter was just plain, boring 'Clapper Rail'.
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Do you know if he (Maley) plans to widen the research and sample Rallus wetmorei?—that particular taxon is positively “Gaga” to be tested genetically. Smithsonian has specimens. If there was some problem in obtaining a sample from there, I could help organise one from a European collection (either BMNH or ZMB), provided he was willing to work with toepads.
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Studies in Avian Biology No. 32 pps. 54-75 Chan et al. (2006) says:
“Based on mitochondrial ATPase8 sequences from a museum specimen R. wetmorei falls within a clade containing both King and Clapper rail sequences (B. Slikas, pers. comm.) and in fact is identical in sequence to King Rail and many Clapper Rails.” |
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I'm very new to avian taxonomy, but I have been interested in reptile taxonomy for several years. Have any organizations accepted these splits? My biggest issue with DNA is the use of miniscule sections of DNA that are not at all representative of the genome. How confident is the taxonomic community that ATPase8 is a good marker for delineating species?
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Hi Robert.
For the split to be recognized, It would have to pass a vote of the AOU checklist committee. I am not aware of whether it is currently up for vote, but you can see the result of previous debates over whether different taxa should be split or not at the AOU NACC home page. AFAIK the split has yet to be recognized by any authority, although I don't think everything Maley has done is published yet. The AOU never splits on the basis of DNA alone, but they usually require vocal data, morphological differences, and evidence of some sort of reproductive isolation. In the case of the rails, the different taxa involved have very different vocalizations and breeding habits, and so there is substantial evidence that they have reproductive isolation. Also, IIRC, more than one gene was sampled, and I am pretty sure that both nuclear and mitochondrial DNA was sampled.
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Maley & Brumfield 2013
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I am curious to see where this one ends: I have two of these forms in the books
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