[upstarts1979]

Originally Posted by israel

A.J.P. did the count before i got there so i deferred to him and scrutinised the Teal for Garganey as you assumed i would.

Was that an oblique reference to me not entering a comprehensive count in the log on occasions?

Chris would I do that mate

[Woodchat]

Originally Posted by upstarts1979

Trace, I know we have some strange looking buzzards but
1 looks like a marsh harrier, maybe a trick of the light

1, 2 and 3 look to be the same bird - a juv type Marsh Harrier.

[binus1963]

Originally Posted by Woodchat

1, 2 and 3 look to be the same bird - a juv type Marsh Harrier.

thats what we reckoned we saw it from flashes main hide, as i left i flushed it from between the two hides were it had come down, but as far as i was concerned it was a marsh harrier.

[Phil Andrews]

Originally Posted by binus1963

thats what we reckoned we saw it from flashes main hide, as i left i flushed it from between the two hides were it had come down, but as far as i was concerned it was a marsh harrier.

Hi Trace - what time did you see the harrier? Did anyone else get on it?

[Brian Stretch]

Originally Posted by Phil Andrews

Hi Trace - what time did you see the harrier? Did anyone else get on it?

Stuart Andrews also got a picture.

Having checked Forsmans, it may be 2nd calendar year or older.

Brian
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Birding Today

[Woodchat]

Originally Posted by Brian Stretch

Stuart Andrews also got a picture.

Having checked Forsmans, it may be 2nd calendar year or older.

Brian
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Birding Today

Nice one, Brian. That view certainly shows more extensive pale areas. The coverts are still dark - I guess these take several years to become paler and more adult-like and there is a lot of individual variation.

Any more tips in Forsman's to ageing MH's?

[israel]

Originally Posted by binus1963

thats what we reckoned we saw it from flashes main hide, as i left i flushed it from between the two hides were it had come down, but as far as i was concerned it was a marsh harrier.

Given that the Harrier was seen to land, were the appropriate phone calls made?

Chris.T.

[Woodchat]

Originally Posted by israel

Given that the Harrier was seen to land, were the appropriate phone calls made?

Chris.T.

Hi Chris,

I doubt there was any malicious suppression going on - it seems the observers more likely weren't completely sure of the ID or maybe weren't aware of the significance (I think this is only the 3rd or 4th record of MH at Upton this year).

[CorvusCorax]

Originally Posted by Phil Andrews

Black Terns have a habit of turning up well into the autumn at Upton and then lingering. I will post some stats later.

I'd have thought you'd have jumped at the chance to get some more stats on here, but you've really let yourself down. For shame

[AlanH46]

[quote="were the appropriate phone calls made?"[/QUOTE]

I apologise if I have mis-read the question but this question seems to imply that there is a requirement for obsevers to phone in all unusual sightings.

As stated by others, in numerous earlier postings, I do not consider the Upton Warren forum to be an information service. If I required up to date info then I would be subscibing to one of the recognised providers.

I see it as being down to the individual as to whether / how they decide to disemminate their sightings and have no problems if observers choose not to do so based on either lack of confidence, ecomonic restraints or any other reason.

[forgetfulelephant]

The new replacement for the Bittern/West hide is complete & now open for business!


Rob.

[the wicker man]

Originally Posted by forgetfulelephant

The new replacement for the Bittern/West hide is complete & now open for business!


Rob.

Have to say it looks excellent from the outside

[kingfisher blue]

Originally Posted by forgetfulelephant

The new replacement for the Bittern/West hide is complete & now open for business!


Rob.

Whats down stairs like Rob?is there good viewing? From a photographic angle

John

[forgetfulelephant]

The Tuesday work party have opened the view in front of the new Moors hide, resited the feeders, removed & resited one screen & constructed another. As well as cutting back the vegetation that was encroaching on the Salwarpe track & re-routing some sections of the path where the river bank has been eroded. There is more work needed to complete all this section.

These 5 images show the areas in front of & round the hide before being worked on. 3, 4, & 5 show the view (or should that be lack of a view) from the downstairs windows.

[forgetfulelephant]

These images show the view from downstairs after the work parties efforts.

1. The re-sited screen
2, 3, & 4 show the re-sited feeders & the views from the front windows.
5. The view from the right-hand window.

Rob

[forgetfulelephant]

Originally Posted by kingfishe blue

Whats down stairs like Rob?is there good viewing? From a photographic angle

John

Hope the pics will answer that John.

Rob

[israel]

Originally Posted by AlanH46

I apologise if I have mis-read the question but this question seems to imply that there is a requirement for obsevers to phone in all unusual sightings.

As stated by others, in numerous earlier postings, I do not consider the Upton Warren forum to be an information service. If I required up to date info then I would be subscibing to one of the recognised providers.

I see it as being down to the individual as to whether / how they decide to disemminate their sightings and have no problems if observers choose not to do so based on either lack of confidence, ecomonic restraints or any other reason.

The clue, is in word phone in the question.There is a request in the Upton log to report unusual sightings to one of several phone numbers provided so that the news can be disseminated quickly,a long standing arrangement.

There was no suggestion that the Upton Warren Forum be an information service,so you have mis-read the question.Incidentally i do subscribe to Rare Bird Alert.

[israel]

Originally Posted by Woodchat

Hi Chris,

I doubt there was any malicious suppression going on - it seems the observers more likely weren't completely sure of the ID or maybe weren't aware of the significance (I think this is only the 3rd or 4th record of MH at Upton this year).

Hi Dave,

I'm sure you are right,I didn't think for one moment there was any suppression
going on,i'm just keen to keep the "news" as current as possible as it usually is.

[kingfisher blue]

Originally Posted by forgetfulelephant

Hope the pics will answer that John.

Rob

Thank you Rob,i knew i could rely on you . Lets hope its not as cold as the concrete hide this winter.
Thank you to all involved in the workparty,a sterling effort

[binus1963]

i photo'd the bird initially from the main flashes hide and thought it was a marsh harrier i showed the others in the hide but was'nt completly confident, when i set off back it took off from half way between the two hides may have been sat on or near fence on flashes side of track it circled round a few times and was joined by a buzzard also circling this only added to the confusion, it then went off towards the moors i nipped round asked if anyone had seen it but the answer was no, it was mentioned in conversation but nothing said as to reporting it anywhere. if i had reported it and it was a buzzard i'd look a right twonk, if i wait to get a picture checked which i gather caused a little confusion i look a twonk. can someone who knows what he's doing please follow me round all day in future! lesson learn't if in doubt i'll text or bell john (upstart) in future. hope that explains it a bit clearer for all concerned.

[israel]

Originally Posted by binus1963

i photo'd the bird initially from the main flashes hide and thought it was a marsh harrier i showed the others in the hide but was'nt completly confident, when i set off back it took off from half way between the two hides may have been sat on or near fence on flashes side of track it circled round a few times and was joined by a buzzard also circling this only added to the confusion, it then went off towards the moors i nipped round asked if anyone had seen it but the answer was no, it was mentioned in conversation but nothing said as to reporting it anywhere. if i had reported it and it was a buzzard i'd look a right twonk, if i wait to get a picture checked which i gather caused a little confusion i look a twonk. can someone who knows what he's doing please follow me round all day in future! lesson learn't if in doubt i'll text or bell john (upstart) in future. hope that explains it a bit clearer for all concerned.

Thanks for the clarification Binus, good find

Chris.T.

[Kingfisher-kid]

otter showing for a couple of minutes today in front of the water rail hide well done to all concerned on the clearing of the new hide,looks fab. vern

[Phil Andrews]

JTB reports 2 Blackwits still, 2 Wigeon, 5 Shoveler + another 9 just dropped in. Little Egret this morning as per Israel.

[Phil Andrews]

Originally Posted by CorvusCorax

I'd have thought you'd have jumped at the chance to get some more stats on here, but you've really let yourself down. For shame

Sorry to disappoint Phil - had a few more pressing issues y'day (completing on our new house, the missus' 34 week scan etc)

[Skipper47]

Originally Posted by forgetfulelephant

These images show the view from downstairs after the work parties efforts.

1. The re-sited screen
2, 3, & 4 show the re-sited feeders & the views from the front windows.
5. The view from the right-hand window.

Rob

It looks great!