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Old Tuesday 14th April 2015, 17:28   #26
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Disappointingly thin paper

I received my copy today. The admittedly very high expectations have not become fully satisfied, I'm afraid.

I think the publishers did the artist and the art lovers a major disservice with the selection of the type of paper. It is very thin, and thus the printing from the back of the page shines through. It's particularly distracting in providing a lined background all around the actual illustrations. One would think that there have been enough art publications in the past to indicate which criteria need to be fulfilled for such a task.

Other than that, the actual printing is of very decent quality. The metallic effects in the wings of several species come through as well as one might expect as long as no actual metallic colors are employed.

I have only briefly sampled the fine and often very extensive texts, so can't say much about them. I presume, many buyers - like myself - get the book mainly for the artwork, though.
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Old Tuesday 12th May 2015, 09:14   #27
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I'm very sorry to bring this sad news to you all, but I've just read that Bill Cooper has died last Sunday May 10th. The world has lost the last great bird painter.
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........ The world has lost the last great bird painter.
That's the way I feel too. Cooper's special talent was that he included enough of the habitats and plants to create much more than just a bird painting. And in particular, he made it a point to be as accurate with the plants he included. A very sad loss, indeed.
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Old Wednesday 10th June 2015, 09:02   #29
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Next month a new edition will be published of the pigeon book with heavier paper, better binding and a dedication to the artist.
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Next month a new edition will be published of the pigeon book with heavier paper, better binding and a dedication to the artist.
It's a bit sad to go this route though. They essentially expect us to pay twice for the same book. Any link?
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Old Thursday 11th June 2015, 22:15   #31
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Andrew Isles came up with this. If you've got your copy from him you can get a replacement copy from his place. For free. I expect the same applies if you bought it directly from CSIRO.
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Andrew Isles came up with this. If you've got your copy from him you can get a replacement copy from his place. For free. I expect the same applies if you bought it directly from CSIRO.
Thanks for this info. I will contact CSIRO then. Seems like a good idea to do better justice to this superb artist.
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Old Friday 12th June 2015, 19:45   #33
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Andrew Isles came up with this. If you've got your copy from him you can get a replacement copy from his place. For free. I expect the same applies if you bought it directly from CSIRO.
Thanks for this info. I will contact CSIRO then. Seems like a good idea to do better justice to this superb artist. Though, if they want me to return the unsatisfactory book, it will be a costly replacement.
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........ Though, if they want me to return the unsatisfactory book, it will be a costly replacement.
Looks like I'll get a replacement in July. So far no word about having to return the unsatisfactory copy. It would seem that they consider the whole issue as being rather embarrassing. To which I would agree. Thus, a generous handling of the matter might be the way to compensate for it.
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Old Friday 24th July 2015, 20:57   #35
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Next month a new edition will be published of the pigeon book with heavier paper, better binding and a dedication to the artist.
Any news on whether this replacement printing is actually already available?
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Judging by what is written on his site Isles must have it. CSIRO mentions nothing of a reprint whatsoever.
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Judging by what is written on his site Isles must have it. CSIRO mentions nothing of a reprint whatsoever.
That's why I had asked. But I had been assured by someone from CSIRO that they would send me an improved version. And it would seem clear that Andrew Isles does not have a separate printer. Though they might well get priority treatment.

Also, I suspect that CSIRO is not too keen having to replace too many books. Somewhat similar to the position Knopf had been in with their second edition Sibley.
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Old Monday 10th August 2015, 13:56   #38
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Judging by what is written on his site Isles must have it. CSIRO mentions nothing of a reprint whatsoever.
Andrew Isles mention having 5 books in stock, so the new version is obviously out. I'll need to ask CSIRO about my copy then.
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Andrew Isles mention having 5 books in stock, so the new version is obviously out. I'll need to ask CSIRO about my copy then.
Apparently, without my intervention, I would not have received a replacement as the records were not transferred when the person in charge left the company. So it's good to personally keep records and to get back at the publisher. Hope it will work out now. They even promised to send it by express mail.
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Still far from what it should be!

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Apparently, without my intervention, I would not have received a replacement as the records were not transferred when the person in charge left the company. So it's good to personally keep records and to get back at the publisher. Hope it will work out now. They even promised to send it by express mail.
I was gone for five weeks. Now my replacement copy was waiting for me. But what a disappointment. The "heavier" paper is still too thin to prevent the backsides from shining through. I have shown samples here:
http://www.birdforum.net/showthread....16#post3282616
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I've just found out that all the original artwork for the pigeon book was bought from Andrew Isles by the State Library of New South Wales last June.
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I've just found out that all the original artwork for the pigeon book was bought from Andrew Isles by the State Library of New South Wales last June.
That is good news. I think this superb artwork should remain accessible to the public one way or another. Still wish they'd issue copies near original in size, and most of all on thick paper.
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A magnificent new book will be published with lots of previously unpublished artwork:
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From pigeons to parrots. I've just read "A Natural History of Australian Parrots" and it is wonderful. It's essentially an updated version of "Australian Parrots" of which the last edition was published fourteen years ago. Apart from much new information there is much more art work included. All the original plates of the older monograph are reproduced but on a smaller scale. Furthermore, all the Australian species of cockatoo painted for a portfolio published in 2001 are also included and as such presented in a book for the first time. The majority of the illustrations are taken by intricate watercolours and washed ink drawings of food plants and behavioral studies. Finally a number of oil and acrilic paintings are featured but not many and not of every species Cooper actually painted in those media. You can get a good impression of the book at the following link: https://www.chriswatson.com.au/blog/...lliam-t-cooper

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From pigeons to parrots. I've just read "A Natural History of Australian Parrots" and it is wonderful. It's essentially an updated version of "Australian Parrots" of which the last edition was published fourteen years ago. Apart from much new information there is much more art work included. All the original plates of the older monograph are reproduced but on a smaller scale. Furthermore, all the Australian species of cockatoo painted for a portfolio published in 2001 are also included and as such presented in a book for the first time. The majority of the illustrations are taken by intricate watercolours and washed ink drawings of food plants and behavioral studies. Finally a number of oil and acrilic paintings are featured but not many and not of every species Cooper actually painted in those media. You can get a good impression of the book at the following link: https://www.chriswatson.com.au/blog/...lliam-t-cooper
As for the text, it may be excellent, but the price is pretty steep. And from a sample page, it would seem that this book suffers from the same problem as the pigeon and dove book (even the reprint): paper that lets the print from the backside shine though. To me, this takes quite a bit of the enjoyment I gain from looking at fine art.
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