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Old Sunday 24th September 2017, 21:43   #51
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one of the first shots !
D850 + 200-500
Looks like grey lines along the wing edges.
Is it LR contributing again?
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ps what about the d850 /200-500 for macro ?
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ps what about the d850 /200-500 for macro ?
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Old Thursday 28th September 2017, 09:01   #54
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Looks like grey lines along the wing edges.
Is it LR contributing again?
I only checked the beak on first glance when Les initially posted it, but now that you mention it Vespo, there is a pronounced thick grey line around the leading edge and bottom of the far wing .....


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Old Thursday 28th September 2017, 09:23   #55
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Given my limited time ( i'm about to move house ) I can only say I much prefer d850 over my 2 attempts with d500. Much easier for bifs because you have much bigger area to frame the bird with same amount of pixels on actual bird . I think sensor is better but again not enough time ( it is full frame ). I did my standard test shots ( which unfortunately I didnt keep ) at 3200 and 4000 iso , these were definitely better with d850 . I'll see if I can get a bit more time to play !
Hi Les,

I'm flat biscuit myself! so no rush - I won't get to compare these for 2 months, so no rush.

I'm very interested in the D850 vs D500 question. I couldn't live without the full whack 9fps so of necessity it would be with the accessory grip. Most of my shooting is at 1200mm equivalent though occasionally closer like about 800mm, and in certain situations at the short end of the zoom range so ~250/300mm.

Short of Nikon surprising us with a 600mm f4 PF, I'm hoping they lighten up the 300mm f2.8 soon to use with a 2x. Otherwise it would probably be like you, the 200-500, and maybe down the track a 600mm f4 FL (though that depends on how I like the weight when I test in a couple of months - I certainly struggled with the 'old' 4.6kg 400mm f2.8 +2×TC when I tried it).

I'm wondering how the two bodies compare with regard to:-
DR (particularly in light of the photonstophotos data)
Other IQ considerations
AF
Viewfinder size (prism magnification, and 'unmasked' area) and ease of use in both FF and DX (+ 1.3× crop mode)
Weight (I'm happy with either size)

I would be interested to hear more of what you have to say when you get time



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Old Friday 29th September 2017, 11:51   #56
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D850 in the comparison tool on dpreview.com:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/ima...82338704235256

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https://petapixel.com/2017/09/27/nik...d5-test-finds/

As he says though unless your coming from a D5 its still one great camera.
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Mike, further to this, it seems that having your hi-res cake and the 7 or 9fps eating of it too, is not quite so straightforward (or easy) as first hoped, despite the BSI sensor processing advantages .....
Even though the new D850 and the D5 share the same 153pt AF module - it looks like the results of different internal hardware/communications and processing result in a substantially different (lesser) 'in-focus' hit rate in comparison to the mighty D5 for strings of shots.
https://m.dpreview.com/articles/8724...bject-tracking

Even more interested now to hear of Les's experience in this regard, and in comparison to the D500, since AFAIK in terms of AF performance and hit rate, the D500 is widely considered pretty much on par with the D5 in that respect.



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Two things from my point of view, 1 i cant afford a D850 2 i never use any form of tracking so the D500 is perfect for me even though i dont know how well it tracks.
With a duck flying towards me with the D500 its past me with out me losing focus and that's at F9 with the Sigma 100-400 and 1.4 converter i use single point or 25 points.

A set from yesterday, i would need to have a lot of spare cash to buy the D850.

These where in the ISO 6400 area
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Thanks Mike - nice shots and a very pretty bird

With the D7100/D7200 I'm also using single point. I tried the 3D tracking and while good for some of the time - it couldn't quite keep up - so I find better results now with single point.

The D5/D500 have far superior 3D tracking though I'm yet to get my hands on it to give it a good workout. I would think the (expanded) single point AF would be the way to go. I like the idea of the D850's 1/4 focus point mode - but overall the AF@9fps would have to at least equal the D500 for me ......

Time will tell .....


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I also use single point for tracking birds, with the D750.
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Two things from my point of view, 1 i cant afford a D850 2 i never use any form of tracking so the D500 is perfect for me even though i dont know how well it tracks.
With a duck flying towards me with the D500 its past me with out me losing focus and that's at F9 with the Sigma 100-400 and 1.4 converter i use single point or 25 points.

A set from yesterday, i would need to have a lot of spare cash to buy the D850.

These where in the ISO 6400 area
Hi Mike,

That's quite impressive, would you mind sharing what AF tracking setting where you using? Are these cropped any?

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The D850 is the first 35mm DSLR to score 100 overall on DXOMark https://www.dxomark.com/nikon-d850-s...it-100-points/



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That's quite impressive, would you mind sharing what AF tracking setting where you using? Are these cropped any?

Thanks

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Thanks Kevin,i dont use any form of tracking,focus point is always in the center single or 25,i think i would have most likely have started with 25 but gone to single towards the end.
The last one has had a small crop but not much.
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The D850 is the first 35mm DSLR to score 100 overall on DXOMark https://www.dxomark.com/nikon-d850-s...it-100-points/

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That makes the D850 IQ a dazzling 3 % better than the D810 (score 97)...

The "sports" (low light) score is actually a disappointment, 2660 vs 3440 for the Sony A7R II (98 total score).
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Vespo,

Well, I think the D850's claim to fame is greater DR and ISO performance than the D810, whilst increasing resolution by about 25% AND was supposed to offer D5/D500 levels of AF performance. The dpreview (petapixels) report linked above, on AF is putting some doubt in my mind about that aspect of it ..... I'm looking forward to Les reporting back, and especially finding out more about the performance @9fps.

What I find a bit difficult to reconcile is the variation in DR measurements as made by DXOMARK and PhotonsToPhotos ...... I mean DXO has the D850 performing better than the D750, while at PTP it's the other way around!

Similarly, at PTP, the D850 in DX mode performs worse than the native crop sensor camera D500, despite the D500's few % smaller pixel pitch and higher resolution (which in theory should put it just behind the D850 in DX mode) --- what gives?

Of course DR and ISO performance is but a component of IQ, but a sizeable one nonetheless.



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Anybody updates ? I'm thinking of getting a D850 to go with my D500. I was going to get a D4s for the cleaner higher ISO when needed but thought I'll see how good the D850 is first
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Anybody updates ? I'm thinking of getting a D850 to go with my D500. I was going to get a D4s for the cleaner higher ISO when needed but thought I'll see how good the D850 is first
No personal experience, but mainly positive feedback from these sites:

https://diglloyd.com/index.html

https://www.eoshd.com/2017/10/nikon-d850-vs-everything/
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No personal experience, but mainly positive feedback from these sites:

https://diglloyd.com/index.html

https://www.eoshd.com/2017/10/nikon-d850-vs-everything/
Thanks for posting the links etudiant.
Are you a subscriber to the Lloyd Chambers blog? .... it would be interesting to hear what his "Editorial of the Nikon D850 vs Medium Format" has to say.

I'd still like to hear more on the D850's high fps AF performance too .....



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Thanks for posting the links etudiant.
Are you a subscriber to the Lloyd Chambers blog? .... it would be interesting to hear what his "Editorial of the Nikon D850 vs Medium Format" has to say.

I'd still like to hear more on the D850's high fps AF performance too .....



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DPReview review is now in!
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After the long awaited Australian BirdFair has been run and gone this weekend, I had hoped to be able to say what the D850 felt like in the hand both without and with the accessory battery grip ........ unfortunately Nikon photographic was a complete and utter no show!

They were there last time it was run 2 or 3 years ago, unlike Canon who've never put in an appearance, but this no show by any photographic equipment makers this year was very disappointing .......



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