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Old Wednesday 8th November 2017, 13:23   #26
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Well, G9 priced at $1699 in the US, not the $2300 rumored.
Seems a very capable big camera, sort of a D500 with a micro4/3 sensor.
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Well, G9 priced at $1699 in the US, not the $2300 rumored.
Seems a very capable big camera, sort of a D500 with a micro4/3 sensor.
An even closer analogy at this point would be it's a panasonic version of the Oly EM-1 mk. ii, but will team with the PL 100-400 for dual IS. Shares the Oly's focus on speed, photo shooting, dual card slots, IS, electronic shutter, weather resistance, etc. and at a similar price point. It's also 3 oz. heavier than the Oly (and heavier than the G80/85), which was already the heaviest Oly in recent times, I believe. But will need to see reviews and images later on before I form an opinion on how closely it compares to the oly in actual use. Also, the weight difference, while not large, is significant for me. I think the M4/3 bodies are pressing the envelope in terms of weight for a system for which portability is supposed to be one of the main attractions.
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An even closer analogy at this point would be it's a panasonic version of the Oly EM-1 mk. ii, but will team with the PL 100-400 for dual IS. Shares the Oly's focus on speed, photo shooting, dual card slots, IS, electronic shutter, weather resistance, etc. and at a similar price point. It's also 3 oz. heavier than the Oly (and heavier than the G80/85), which was already the heaviest Oly in recent times, I believe. But will need to see reviews and images later on before I form an opinion on how closely it compares to the oly in actual use. Also, the weight difference, while not large, is significant for me. I think the M4/3 bodies are pressing the envelope in terms of weight for a system for which portability is supposed to be one of the main attractions.
There is a lot in what you say regarding weight but still someway to go before a golf trolley or a sherpa is an essential part of the equipment. On another note, I find IQ with the G80/PL100-400 with X2 digital zoom equal to if not better than the E-M1ii/300 f4 PRO with 1.4 TC.
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Was just about to do the same (G80) but holding off a bit since according to some initial info:

- Autofocus improved (lets see if the reviews confirm)
- USB Charging and Powering
- Big EVF

Is it worth another US$900? Maybe from my perspective if CAF+Tracking actually works.


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Well ime very happy with the pricing, its made my decision a lot easier, i am no longer Nikon mike but back to being m4/3 mike.
Got a G80 this morning and 100-400 on its way to me
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Was just about to do the same (G80) but holding off a bit since according to some initial info:

- Autofocus improved (lets see if the reviews confirm)
- USB Charging and Powering
- Big EVF

Is it worth another US$900? Maybe from my perspective if CAF+Tracking actually works.
That viewfinder looks pretty addictive. Don't try it..

Still no phase-detect, but a f2.8 lens will definitely help in AF-speed though.

I'm sure the 200/2.8 Leica will be a very sharp lens, but it's overpriced, here is another lighter 200/2.8 (APS-C) at a third of the price.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._f_2_8_ED.html

Or why not a Nikon 300/4 PF as comparison it's 450mm f5.6 eqv. on a D7500.

Would be very interesting to see a comparison between these systems and the picture quality in real life.

Maybe it's something I don't get here...

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Agree 200/2.8 Leica has a high price. However they have positioned the price between a regular 200mm/f2.8 ($1000) and a 300mm/f2.8 ($3000 - $8000) using the lower end of prime prices on BH Photo.

WISH they had PDAF. I’m waiting to see CAFTr test results with Pana 100-400mm to determine interest.

Yes, I do not want to look through that EVF as it may hypnotize me to buy, without confirming necessary performance criteria first.




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That viewfinder looks pretty addictive. Don't try it..

Still no phase-detect, but a f2.8 lens will definitely help in AF-speed though.

I'm sure the 200/2.8 Leica will be a very sharp lens, but it's overpriced, here is another lighter 200/2.8 (APS-C) at a third of the price.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._f_2_8_ED.html

Or why hot a Nikon 300/4 PF as comparison it's 450mm f5.6 eqv. on a D7500.

Would be very interesting to see a comparison between these systems and the picture quality in real life.

Maybe it's something I don't get here...
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I may get to look through one a week on Saturday, could be a hands on day.
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Still no phase-detect, but a f2.8 lens will definitely help in AF-speed though.
I am not sure the influence on speed is as large for CDAF as it would be for PDAF. Remember that CDAF has been used on lens combinations far below (numerically above) F8 while PDAF usually struggle to go on strike beyond F8.

I will not go to the 200, but I like my 100-400

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I am not sure the influence on speed is as large for CDAF as it would be for PDAF. Remember that CDAF has been used on lens combinations far below (numerically above) F8 while PDAF usually struggle to go on strike beyond F8.

I will not go to the 200, but I like my 100-400

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Maybe, but expectations must be very high. G9 does 20fps in AFC mode. Not much room for error or hesitation there.
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Clarification: I probably should have written "PDAF usually struggle or go on strike"

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The 200mm is bundled with a 1.4x converter with a 2x as an optional accessory. It'll be interesting to see how close the 1.4x combination comes to the 300mm Olympus lens in performance
Unlike Olympus, Panasonic have been slow to produce converters for their lenses (unless their existence has somehow passed me by). Are they compatible with lenses other than the 200mm? It'd certainly be handy to have the option of boosting my 100-300mm lens although I'd guess it's too old to be compatible but what of the newer 100-400mm lens?
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Unlike Olympus, Panasonic have been slow to produce converters for their lenses (unless their existence has somehow passed me by). Are they compatible with lenses other than the 200mm? It'd certainly be handy to have the option of boosting my 100-300mm lens although I'd guess it's too old to be compatible but what of the newer 100-400mm lens?
I was wondering the same about the 100-400, looking at the TC design the back end of the lens would need some empty tube for the converter to sit in.
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scroll down a little on this one to see a photo of the back end of the 100-400. I do not think it will work https://www.ephotozine.com/article/p...h-review-28971

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I was wondering the same about the 100-400, looking at the TC design the back end of the lens would need some empty tube for the converter to sit in.
Page 6 of the operating instructions supplied with my PL100-400 state and I quote " you cannot attach a conversion lens or adaptor to this lens. A filter may be used but any other element may cause damage to the lens."
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scroll down a little on this one to see a photo of the back end of the 100-400. I do not think it will work https://www.ephotozine.com/article/p...h-review-28971

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Thanks. Given that this lens & the associated converters must surely have been at the design stage at the very least when the 100-400mm lens was coming to fruition then it seems remarkably short-sighted not to have made them compatible. Surely, though, more lenses that are compatible must be with the pipeline ....
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the other option is that the non-compatibility is a demand from Leica: they did expect the MC to reduce the quality of the 100-400 too much, and therefore, they would not lend their name to the 100-400 if it was compatible with the MC.

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This rumors story has the AF of the G9 as the worlds fastest: https://www.43rumors.com/g9-better-g...stabilization/

Might be the usual exaggeration, but still ...

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This rumors story has the AF of the G9 as the worlds fastest: https://www.43rumors.com/g9-better-g...stabilization/

Might be the usual exaggeration, but still ...

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Always read the fine print.

There are some minor restrictions to it like using single point of focus and a specific lens, leica 12-60mm at the wide end (f2.8).

See the press release:

"*2 In 1-Area AF, at wide-end with H-ES12060 (CIPA) in LVF120 fps setting."

https://www.dpreview.com/news/470829...-stabilization

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The G9’s only let down is no native ISO100 in my eyes - is like my G80 on steroids features and build-wise by the looks of things, all does seem to suggest it will be Panasonic’s ultimate birding camera - the move to a bigger pixel count sensor will be like a 1.25x TC with no loss of light - needless to say I am tempted!

No electromagnetic shutter, but does have a soft sounding floating construction shutter as in GH5 so should still be pretty special on the 100-400 in theory.
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the move to a bigger pixel count sensor will be like a 1.25x TC with no loss of light - needless to say I am tempted!
The jump in pixel count would be similar to a 1.1x TC as you need 4 times the MP to get to a 2x TC.
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The jump in pixel count would be similar to a 1.1x TC as you need 4 times the MP to get to a 2x TC.
My bad, should have said 1.118x TC but where it comes to cropping birds, pixels is pixels
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Just had a play with the G9,apart from the price i couldn't fault it, nice to hold, great EVF, AF on the 30 and 60 FPS but the best thing to me was it will do manual exposure with auto ISO and exposure compensation.
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I have not been able to try manual mode with auto ISO and EC yet, but it does seem to make sense on paper as a mode for birds and using telephoto lenses.

Shutter priority has had to be my birding mode to date - will be interesting to see if Panasonic roll this feature out for any lower tiered models, or just keep it reserved to their high-end models.
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I have not been able to try manual mode with auto ISO and EC yet, but it does seem to make sense on paper as a mode for birds and using telephoto lenses.

Shutter priority has had to be my birding mode to date - will be interesting to see if Panasonic roll this feature out for any lower tiered models, or just keep it reserved to their high-end models.
Its something i always used with Nikon,the only good thing about shutter priority and auto iso with ec is the 100-400 is sharp wide open.
Dont think you will see it on the lower models as the tech guy said its the extra processing power in the GH5 and G9 that allow them to do it.
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