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Old Friday 10th November 2017, 16:45   #76
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Pics of the little giants.

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I've tried 3 of the 4 you have in the pic on the right, and own 2 of them, the 8x32 Trinovid HD, and the Swaro 8x32 EL. I am attracted to the scale of these small bins. As usual for me, eye relief is the foremost issue I have to contend with, which knocked the 8x32 Conquests out. Unfortunately, the the new Swaro, at least on paper, won't work for me at 16mm. The Trinovid HD at 17mm turned out to be a good fit, with a very smooth focuser, and delivered a big, bright circle with a crisp edge to my eyes. I picked it up on a trip to Washington D.C. (never wander into a Leica store when you're in the mood...) Even the little zip up wetsuit pouch works for slinging it over one shoulder and walking around, pulling it out every once in awhile. At its scale and price, an ideal travel bin. It makes a fine all day birding bin as well, but I would take the pouch off the strap if I was going that route.

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Old Friday 10th November 2017, 17:06   #77
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Pics of the little giants.

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The Meostar HD 8x32 is still a little smaller than the new Swarovski CL 8x30. The Meostar has to be one of the smallest 32mm.
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Old Friday 10th November 2017, 17:42   #78
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No no, it's no vulgar curiosity. You're in denial......

But just to amuse you; in 8x it's €1.140,00 and €1.170,00 for the 10.

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These will cost here in the USA about the same as a new Leica Rubber Armored 7x35 Trinovid or a Rubber Armored 8x40 Trinovid which is 100 bucks more.

Which one would you rather have?

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Old Friday 10th November 2017, 18:43   #79
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These will cost here in the USA about the same as a new Leica Rubber Armored 7x35 Trinovid or a Rubber Armored 8x40 Trinovid which is 100 bucks more.

Which one would you rather have?

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Ouch, me beeing a convicted 7x addict, this is going to be a tough choice...mmmwah WTF I take the CL and the 7x

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Ouch, me beeing a convicted 7x addict, this is going to be a tough choice...mmmwah WTF I take the CL and the 7x

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Jan:

I recently have had the pleasure of using a Habicht 7x42, it is an
impressive binocular.

How do you like this one, I suppose you have tried it ?

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I recently have had the pleasure of using a Habicht 7x42, it is an
impressive binocular.

How do you like this one, I suppose you have tried it ?

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Jerry,

I am in the priviliged position to have them all.
A Nikon SE focusknob on the Habicht series would make it the perfect bin for me. Provided with an WA ocular and extended eyerelief would suit me even more.

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Urk is the name of a city/former island in The Netherlands, Maarssen is the city where House of Outdoor can be found, just in case you do not understand Jan's joke.
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Old Saturday 11th November 2017, 06:04   #83
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Jerry,

A Nikon SE focusknob on the Habicht series would make it the perfect bin for me. Provided with an WA ocular and extended eyerelief would suit me even more.

Jan
Whether we shop at Old Navy or Nordstroms,the product isn't made to order, and there will often be some aspect which doesn't quite fit, or simply could be better. It seems it is easier to buy shoes that fit than binoculars. Even shoes will to some degree mold themselves to the user. Not so the binocular....
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These will cost here in the USA about the same as a new Leica Rubber Armored 7x35 Trinovid or a Rubber Armored 8x40 Trinovid which is 100 bucks more.

Which one would you rather have?

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OR, the cost of a new 8.5x42 EL wb when they first came out... if my memory is working correctly.

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Urk is the name of a city/former island in The Netherlands, Maarssen is the city where House of Outdoor can be found, just in case you do not understand Jan's joke.
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Well I got the joke and must admit that it was probably the first time I laughed out loud when reading post's on the Birdforum! But then I'm a Brit who is has been living in Holland for the last 20 years, so maybe that has something to do with it!

On a more serious note, I'm really interested in how the new 8x30 CL performs. Thinking maybe about getting one of these or maybe the new 7x35 Trinovid (if it ever appears in the shops....)

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The only thing that disappoints me is why couldn't Swarovski pump the FOV on the new CL to about 420 feet. Same thing on the new Leica Trinovid 8x40. I don't care for 7x because I find it weak so I don't care for the 7x35 but the 8x40 Trinovid looks interesting but the FOV is only 400 feet. I really like binoculars in 8x in either 32mm or 42mm with a 420 to 460 foot FOV( 8 degree to 8.8 degree). Once you are used to the bigger FOV it is hard to go back to 400 feet.

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I think I'm in the minority here ... I like the look of the old CL much better and I also don't like the thinner, longer barrels on this new version.

It has a sort of astronaut look.

I'm sure Swaro has improved the optics on the other hand.

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I think I'm in the minority here ... I like the look of the old CL much better and I also don't like the thinner, longer barrels on this new version.

It has a sort of astronaut look.

I'm sure Swaro has improved the optics on the other hand.
I like the looks of the old model also. It was almost "cute". It was a better looking binocular than the new CL. The bridge was much sleeker and had better lines than the new CL. The new one looks kind of weird as if the bridge was an after thought , whereas,on the old CL it was more integrated into the design of the binocular. Also, as you say the thinner, longer tubes on the new CL makes it look less symmetrical than the old CL and not as compact which it isn't.
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I felt the same when I first saw it, but after having looked at it for a while I've come around to liking the appearance of the new one better. Ultimately, it will come down to how it feels in hand and I'll leave the eyes out of it 'cept for looking down the barrels..

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I felt the same when I first saw it, but after having looked at it for a while I've come around to liking the appearance of the new one better. Ultimately, it will come down to how it feels in hand and I'll leave the eyes out of it 'cept for looking down the barrels..

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I felt the same when I first saw it, but after having looked at it for a while I've come around to liking the appearance of the new one better. Ultimately, it will come down to how it feels in hand and I'll leave the eyes out of it 'cept for looking down the barrels..

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Your right. The ergonomics are more important than looks and the optics are even more important. But the appearance of it is important to. I still think the older CL looks better but if you want the advantages of the new one you are going to have tolerate the appearance. I would never buy the new Cabela's Euro HD. That thing is "Butt" ugly! That green color! EEEEgh!
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Ugliest binocular vote could be an interesting and amusing thread.
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?......The ergonomics are more important than looks and the optics are even more important. ....
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Are you sure ?
And I was hoping that finally, finally with this thread the focus was on the really important aspects of binocular optics.
I have been wondering for some time why all these reviews and comparitive tests are always focusing on subjects like field of view, chromatic aberration, sharpness and contrast, when the really significant issues - beyond any doubt - are shape, color and smell.
How can the look through a binocular be pleasing if the instrument has the wrong shape, color or flavor??
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Ugliest binocular vote could be an interesting and amusing thread.
That would be. My vote goes for the new Cabela's Euro HD. That thing will scare the birds away! We have had a thread on the "Best Looking Binocular."
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Are you sure ?
And I was hoping that finally, finally with this thread the focus was on the really important aspects of binocular optics.
I have been wondering for some time why all these reviews and comparitive tests are always focusing on subjects like field of view, chromatic aberration, sharpness and contrast, when the really significant issues - beyond any doubt - are shape, color and smell.
How can the look through a binocular be pleasing if the instrument has the wrong shape, color or flavor??
Flavor? I have never tried a sauteed binocular. I bet Swarovski's would be the most tender.
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Rubber manufacturers do put essences in to take away that horrible new rubber smell. Leica smell of vanilla.
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Smelliest binoculars, my Fotons. Slowly getting better after 15 years. Perhaps O.K. in a century.

Smelliest camera. A Chinese monstrosity in an awful smelling leather case. I chucked both in the bin about 20 years ago.

Noisiest binocular or monocular. The Russian stabilized thing that takes about a minute or more for the giro/s to speed up to Warp Factor 9.
Also good candidate for ugliest.

Strangest bewitched camera. The Minolta Talking camera that started talking for no reason at night in a whisper. It took me a while to find where the ghost actually was. I couldn't silence it so it went in the bin also. The binmen must have wondered who was whispering for help maybe.

Tied with the Singing Fish that started to sing "Don't worry, be Happy" for no reason. Eddie Murphy's voice maybe.
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Aahhh, too bad ....
Each time I try sarcasm (post #93), I seem to fail miserably
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Rubber manufacturers do put essences in to take away that horrible new rubber smell. Leica smell of vanilla.
Really! That is interesting.
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Rubber manufacturers do put essences in to take away that horrible new rubber smell. Leica smell of vanilla.
My Meopta 8x42 (non-HD) smells of citrus. I emailed Meoptaa about them, and they said no, it is not meant to be part of the specs. Was worried that the scent will be bad news if out stalking. This smell was apparent in both pairs we bought, for me and a mate.
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