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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2008, 18:41   #101
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I got this comment in a PM but I hough the reply is a bit more general ...

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What does "end of life" mean? I assume they will not be making them anymore? Do you know if that affects warranty/repair, or introduces any other risk into purchasing them?
Thanks.
"End of Life" (EOL) does sound a bit dramatic

EOL is from the viewpoint of the marketing/sales people.

A product gets to EOL when it's no longer sold by the original company (hence the marketers viewpoint) usually because that niche is going to be occupied by another (new) product.

They won't be making any more of them. In fact they probably made the last of them a couple of years ago at least and have them sitting in warehouses. Bins tend to be built in batches.

If they have stock of a EOL (or with Vortex soon to be EOL) product they'll sell them on at a considerable discount to other retailer (often in large batches) so they show up a reduced prices (and can often represent good bargains).

Companies continue to service and support products well beyond this date.

In fact with Vortex that's a lifetime warranty so as long as the company is around you'll get "service" (more than likely you'll get a replacement if the optics are damaged)

The only risk is they may have a newer product with better properties and perhaps less expensive than the original. Or they may just be getting rid of that brand. But you need to evaluate the bin in this case on it's merits for that price.

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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2008, 19:31   #102
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Rather a lot of moving parts but you might be able to make use of this Microsoft Live 30% cashback on eBay sales for eligible purchases from cameralandny.

http://24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads...page/1/gonew/1

BTW, the eBay store is

http://stores.ebay.com/The-Photographers-Friend

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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2008, 21:55   #103
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I cant seem to get it to work for Nikon Monarch 8x36.

I signed up at Microsoft Live Cashback program. Then followed the instructions. No cashback notice on the Commit to Buy page.
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Old Tuesday 2nd December 2008, 23:54   #104
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I'll also add that the Pentax SP has never wow'd me. I have owned all models (multiples of the 10x43) except the 12.5x50 and not one seemed all that sharp. The seem to have very good color saturation but resolution never was as expected. I have a 8x42 WP that again "to me" seemed sharper/more contrasty than a recent 8x43SP. The ED models appear to be clones with ED glass in the objectives. For the money I'll take used Leica all day!!
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Old Wednesday 3rd December 2008, 00:32   #105
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DBH, I have had three 10x binoculars, and the resolution was all the same, the 10x Monarch included. The SP seemed better overall, and the sweet spot was bigger.

I had a fourth one, Nikon Sporter, and it was useable but dimmer than current models.
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Old Wednesday 3rd December 2008, 00:58   #106
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The ED models appear to be clones with ED glass in the objectives.
Assumption and fact tend to be two different things.
I have the ED and SP in 8x32, so have the luxury of seeing both side by side daily.
They share eyecups, diopter ring, and the rubber armor is the same color.
The construction is a bit different, as is the focus knob(and possibly mechanism), and the coatings are completely different. The contrast, color saturation, sharpness, and CA control are all noticeably improved.
I'd probably go used Leica, too, but for the money you could only get a 8x20.
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I'd probably go used Leica, too, but for the money you could only get a 8x20.
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Old Wednesday 3rd December 2008, 02:13   #108
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I cant seem to get it to work for Nikon Monarch 8x36.

I signed up at Microsoft Live Cashback program. Then followed the instructions. No cashback notice on the Commit to Buy page.
Contact Doug ...
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If he has the Leupold Yosemite 8x30 and the Bushnell Excursion 8x28 and a pair of "Reconditioned" 8x36 Monarchs with a good discount....Ill buy all three!
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If he has the Leupold Yosemite 8x30 and the Bushnell Excursion 8x28 and a pair of "Reconditioned" 8x36 Monarchs with a good discount....Ill buy all three!
Of those he only sells the Nikon. See the cameralandny.com web site.
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[quote=I'd probably go used Leica, too, but for the money you could only get a 8x20.[/QUOTE]

I have probably bought 7-8 sets of used - like new Leica in 8x32 and 10x42 and bet I didn't pay much if anymore than you did for your 8x32 DCF ED (assuming you bought it NIB).

I have paid as little as $450 (and another for $475) for 10x42 BA on ebay and have seen TONS go for less than I see the MAP for the 8x43 DCF ED.


I'll admit not to having both side by side but the only Japanese bino that impressed me was the Nikon LX. All others have that narrow looking FOV. Forget specs, just look thru them. If you are just ID'ing an animal you have already found then it's ok but glassing for animals that you don't know are around the wide FOV makes it more relaxing for the long term.

I am a hunter and a observer of animals and not a "birder" so can't say if birders spend lots of time behind glass just "looking" for a bird.

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BTW- Flame suit on and zipped........
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BTW- Flame suit on and zipped........

I'm not overly concerned with what other people like. I only buy for me, and have no loyalty to any brand or binocular model. Not a "birder" either. I watch anything, everything, and enjoy doing it through a good binocular-plus trying, comparing, and learning about them is a lot of fun.
Everybody's different, and should get what makes them happy, IMO.
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OwenM - 10-4.

I was just trying to point out that with a little internet work there are deals out there.

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All others have that narrow looking FOV. Forget specs, just look thru them.
You may have something there, Viper is like that. But Pentax has not given me that impression. Go for Japanese 8x32 to get wide look?
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The 8x32's are better but not on the same level as the LX or alpha bins. One cheap bino that thoroughly amazed me was the Vortex Diamondback 8x42. Wide apparent FOV and fairly sharp. Not overly bright but in decent light it had a superb view for $129.

Of course the new Chinese Promaster and Hawke have a view that compares to the best. I should have a 10x Promaster by end of the week and we'll see how it compares to the Leica.

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I had the 8x42s in two versions, brands, Vortex and Bushnell
returned both in a week or two
I still have the recent Vipers, 8x42
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Maybe this qualifies as a binocular bargain...

Celestron Noble 8x32 $169

I cant vouch for TriState Camera other than they have been in the Photography mags for decades.
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Maybe this qualifies as a binocular bargain...

Celestron Noble 8x32 $169

I cant vouch for TriState Camera other than they have been in the Photography mags for decades.
Resellar Ratings is a good indication ...

http://www.resellerratings.com/store..._and_Computers

5.08 out of 10 with 126 reviews. Not good.
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Oops!

Ive had success with Adorama.

Just trying to participate.
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Oops!

Ive had success with Adorama.

Just trying to participate.
Please don't take it as put down. No slight intended. $169 would be very good deal for these but from a more reliable dealer.

Adorama are good and have low prices but are not so communicative as others e.g I've had pre-sale emails go unanswered which would be easy to answer if they looked at the product or product box.

Reseller ratings is just a useful (but not suffcient tool0 e.g. Cameralandny has a single 10/10 rating which most would find odd/suspicious but when you've interacted with the guys you can see they have a lot of happy customers and a friendly demeanor they just don't write up reviews).

But a less than stellar rating with a lot of reviews is not a good sign.
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Let me try another one.

Zeiss Diafun 8x30 B-MC $279

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Kevin, to get any info from Adorama, you have to call them. The call is free. Most likely they still will not leave their desk to look at actual product.
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Kevin, to get any info from Adorama, you have to call them. The call is free. Most likely they still will not leave their desk to look at actual product.
In which case they wouldn't be able to answer my question. The folks on the phone are just in a call center.

I prefer a responsive company! If they won't use any method to help you in pre-sales then I rather doubt they'll be more interested with a post-sales problem.
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