Warblers from Toscana (1 Viewer)

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nikothomsen

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• Sep 12, 2017

• #21

This one was shot by the coastal reserve near Pisa, so not Toscana. I'm thinking a reed warbler of sorts?

 

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Motmot

Eduardo Amengual

• Sep 12, 2017

• #22

Checking my files I found this comparable Fall Subalpine

 

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CARERY

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• Sep 12, 2017

• #23

Reed Warbler

 

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nikothomsen

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• Sep 12, 2017

• #24

Thanks Motmot! It will go down as a Subalp!

 

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nikothomsen

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• Sep 12, 2017

• #25

How about these two individuals? Pictures 2 & 3 are the same bird

 

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AlinoVegano

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• Sep 12, 2017

• #26

Motmot said:

Checking my files I found this comparable Fall Subalpine

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OP bird has PP twice longer or so... not talking about the plain tertials of op, well marked on your bird.

 

Tib78

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• Sep 12, 2017

• #27

Motmot said:

I still see a clear Fall Subalpine here. Overexposed pics yes, Garden no

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Agreed! This is definitely a warbler from the Subalpine/Moltoni's complex. Note also the tertials lack pale tips and are shortish compared to the long tertials of GW that go way past the secondaries

 

Tib78

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• Sep 12, 2017

• #28

nikothomsen said:

How about these two individuals? Pictures 2 & 3 are the same bird

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The 2nd bird is another Garden warbler and the 1st one most likely is one too, but an extra pic wouldn't hurt...

 

Motmot

Eduardo Amengual

• Sep 12, 2017

• #29

Tib78 said:

Agreed! This is definitely a warbler from the Subalpine/Moltoni's complex. Note also the tertials lack pale tips and are shortish compared to the long tertials of GW that go way past the secondaries

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Good to know Tib we agree:t:, and also agree you include Moltoni's being Toscana the location.

 

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nikothomsen

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• Sep 14, 2017

• #30

Motmot said:

Good to know Tib we agree:t:, and also agree you include Moltoni's being Toscana the location.

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Is there any way to distinguish the two in this fall bird?

 

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AlinoVegano

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• Sep 15, 2017

• #31

No one commented on pp...

 

Tib78

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• Sep 15, 2017

• #32

nikothomsen said:

Is there any way to distinguish the two in this fall bird?

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Not with your photos I am afraid. Their respective call, however, is different. A rather dry, short and often repeated in series "tek" or "tac" for Subalpine; while Moltoni's give a softer, longer "trrrr".
You can listen to their calls on xeno-canto.org

 

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smiths

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• Sep 16, 2017

• #33

AlinoVegano said:

No one commented on pp...

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The bird in post #6 shows a primary projection of about 1/3 of the length of the tertials. This is perfectly fine for Subalpine/Moltoni's Warbler but much shorter than Garden (which often has 1/1). Also, Garden Warbler lacks the strong contrast between brown ear coverts and pale throat, as well as the yellowish soles.

 

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AlinoVegano

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• Sep 17, 2017

• #34

smiths said:

The bird in post #6 shows a primary projection of about 1/3 of the length of the tertials. This is perfectly fine for Subalpine/Moltoni's Warbler but much shorter than Garden (which often has 1/1). Also, Garden Warbler lacks the strong contrast between brown ear coverts and pale throat, as well as the yellowish soles.

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I see a 1/1 pp, it is why I excluded Subalpine Warblers. Now, I guess if you all see a shorter pp, I must be wrong somewhere. Attached between red lines the pp I see.

 

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smiths

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• Sep 17, 2017

• #35

You are comparing tertials of one wing to primaries of the other wing, which makes no sense.
Why not simply compare tertials and primaries of the same wing?
This is the real primary projection:

 

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AlinoVegano

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• Sep 18, 2017

• #36

smiths said:

You are comparing tertials of one wing to primaries of the other wing, which makes no sense.
Why not simply compare tertials and primaries of the same wing?
This is the real primary projection:

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I'm comparing the same wing, of course!!!!! What is this idea?

I'm now showing you the point of the wings.

As said, I guess I don't see that well, but don't take people like total hopeless and comparing two different wings please.

 

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Mike Earp

UK Birder

• Sep 18, 2017

• #37

Alino

Where's the tip of the Subalpine/Moltoni's Warbler's left (nearest) wing on the other two photos?

Mike

 

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smiths

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• Sep 18, 2017

• #38

AlinoVegano said:

I'm comparing the same wing, of course!!!!! What is this idea?

I'm now showing you the point of the wings.

As said, I guess I don't see that well, but don't take people like total hopeless and comparing two different wings please.

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I see...
You are not comparing to the wing, you are comparing to the undertail coverts...

 

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AlinoVegano

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• Sep 21, 2017

• #39

smiths said:

I see...
You are not comparing to the wing, you are comparing to the undertail coverts...

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You might have a better screen, it looks as the point of the wings. I tried with lr to improve, but still unclear for me. Whatever, subalpine (sensu lato) it is.