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Old Saturday 22nd April 2017, 10:23   #1076
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It would be nice if Tract could produce a 10x42 image stabilized binocular with a reasonable weight wouldn't it? Especially if they could sell it for less than $1000.00. For now we will have to be satisfied with the Canon 10x42 IS-L if you want IS. I know it is kind of heavy and bulky but that is the price you pay to have IS. Because of the IS the Canon is my favorite 10x binocular. You can just see more detail with it and like you say in certain situations the IS is a godsend. The Tract Toric is my favorite 8x because it ticks more of my boxes than any other binocular at a remarkable price.
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Old Saturday 22nd April 2017, 14:33   #1077
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It would be nice if they could build them lighter than the current IS binoculars on the market like the Canon IS and the Nikon Stabileyes but I think to have IS you are going to have to have a heavier binocular until we get digital binoculars.
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Old Saturday 22nd April 2017, 15:45   #1078
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The Nikon, Bushnell, and Fujinon's Techno -Stabi all have the same pedigree which, I believe come from a company starting with ... K.

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Old Saturday 22nd April 2017, 15:55   #1079
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The Nikon, Bushnell, and Fujinon's Techno -Stabi all have the same pedigree which, I believe come from a company starting with ... K.

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Hi Bill thanks for this. So which company is it?
Choose from Kellogs, Kraft, Kawasaki, Kleenex or Kahles
Or Kamakura

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I wonder if the new Opticron IS monocular has that same pedigree.

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Old Saturday 22nd April 2017, 17:51   #1081
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Most inexpensive cameras that have IS use electronic sensor-based IS, not mechanical. That would not be available on an all glass binocular. Mechanical IS means additional weight.

The close focus distance on the Canon 10x42 IS is 8.2' (2.5m). Here in SoCal, many birders also do butterflies and dragonflies, and 8.2' is not sufficient.

As for carrying both binoculars and scope, that is determined by habitat. For sea watches, shorebirds, longspurs and pipits, waterfowl, and raptors, I carry my scope. For tighter quarters like forests, riparian areas, and urban parks, its binos only.
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Old Sunday 23rd April 2017, 03:01   #1082
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There is really no substitute for a good spotting scope for sea watches or any long distance observing. The Opticron IS Scope that Frank mentioned would be interesting to try. Interesting that all those IS binoculars come from Kamakura. Why couldn't Tract get an IS binocular built by Kamakura then? I think a lot of birders would be interested if they could get the weight down a little from the Canon IS and improve on the close focus.

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There is some resistance to the concept as well. I look at the price and wonder what has been left out of the optical system to pay for the IS. Then there is the handling question: Canon's feel even more alien in my hands than porros. And if the battery runs out you are left with weight that is providing no benefit and who wants to carry spare batteries for bins as well as cameras?

Of course if you really like the IS system and what it provides, none of the above is serious, but I am not attracted to the current instruments at all due to the above. If I am going to view for a long time, I sit down and brace my arms on my knees and this is easily steady enough.

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Old Sunday 23rd April 2017, 15:25   #1084
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I guess using IS comes down to if you feel the negatives are worth putting up with for the positives. No matter how I sit or brace my arms I can't get the rock steady tripod like view I get with an IS binocular. Having a steady view to me more than makes up for slight advantages in the optics in other areas. A lot of times I don't have time to sit down and brace my arms when observing a fast fleeting seabird. Sometime you only have a few seconds to get that ID and IS a lot of the times makes the difference in getting the ID and not getting the ID especially when you are at the limits of your resolution. I think if Tract could make a really high quality IS binocular that was no more than 30 oz. and had fairly normal roof prism ergonomics it would really sell to birders.
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Hi Bill thanks for this. So which company is it?
Choose from Kellogs, Kraft, Kawasaki, Kleenex or Kahles
Or Kamakura

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Hey, you didn't hear it from me. Like Mark Twain, I'm getting so old most of the things I remember never happened at all!

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I guess using IS comes down to if you feel the negatives are worth putting up with for the positives. No matter how I sit or brace my arms I can't get the rock steady tripod like view I get with an IS binocular. Having a steady view to me more than makes up for slight advantages in the optics in other areas. A lot of times I don't have time to sit down and brace my arms when observing a fast fleeting seabird. Sometime you only have a few seconds to get that ID and IS a lot of the times makes the difference in getting the ID and not getting the ID especially when you are at the limits of your resolution. I think if Tract could make a really high quality IS binocular that was no more than 30 oz. and had fairly normal roof prism ergonomics it would really sell to birders.
A lot of that makes sense Dennis and I can see the attraction but weight, handling, fov and close focus issues rule them out for me. However if a decent brand launched a model such as you describe at no more than 28ozs that could be interesting.

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Old Sunday 23rd April 2017, 20:26   #1087
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Right now for many birder's you have to give up too much in other areas to get IS. IS is a good thing though. I think if you could buy your Zeiss Conquest HD's and they had almost the same specifications but with a little button that made them perform like you were looking through a tripod I think you and many other people would buy them.
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Old Monday 24th April 2017, 08:30   #1088
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[quote=denco@comcast.n;3555908]

a little button that made them perform like you were looking through a tripod QUOTE]

Actually Dennis, there are not many people who want their binos to perform as if you were looking through a tripod I have two tripods. I must try looking through them some time

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Actually, Billy Bob Hendricks uses a tripod without the aid of optics for his viewing, says it's better than his SV, but that guy is REALLY (out there).

Lee's the only one that knows what in thunder I'm talking about.

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[quote=SuperDuty;3559392]Actually, Billy Bob Hendricks uses a tripod without the aid of optics for his viewing, says it's better than his SV, but that guy is REALLY (out there).

Lee's the only one that knows what in thunder I'm talking about.



LOL. I gave my tripods a spring clean today and spent a few moments looking through them at the Bullfinches in our back garden. I have to say this left me unimpressed. I'm getting worried about Billy Bob.

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Actually, Billy Bob Hendricks uses a tripod without the aid of optics for his viewing, says it's better than his SV, but that guy is REALLY (out there).

Lee's the only one that knows what in thunder I'm talking about.



LOL. I gave my tripods a spring clean today and spent a few moments looking through them at the Bullfinches in our back garden. I have to say this left me unimpressed. I'm getting worried about Billy Bob.

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I better correct my error before this get's out of hand. I meant like you are looking through your binocular mounted to a tripod. There.
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I better correct my error before this get's out of hand. I meant like you are looking through your binocular mounted to a tripod. There.
Actually Dennis, it was A Lot more interesting the other way around. Tried it like Lee, also wasn't very impressed. Had to stop the Mrs. on the phone as she thought I had LOST IT!

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I don't have a tripod: am I missing out?

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Old Tuesday 2nd May 2017, 12:48   #1094
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I better correct my error before this get's out of hand. I meant like you are looking through your binocular mounted to a tripod. There.
Dag nabbit Dennis it was so much more fun before you said this.
However, getting the tripods out for scope or photography will never be quite the same again

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