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What bird is? from ROMANIA, small bird (1 Viewer)
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Juvenile Masked Shrike.
https://www.google.dk/search?q=mask...UICSgB&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=CoeAat33O0BtWM:
Peter
https://www.google.dk/search?q=mask...UICSgB&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=CoeAat33O0BtWM:
Peter
AlinoVegano
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Waw, not that straightforward to me, especially in Romania where it must be at best a rare breeder, but I need to check that.
AlinoVegano
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Seems not be known as a breeder in Romania.
http://datazone.birdlife.org/species/factsheet/masked-shrike-lanius-nubicus/distribution
http://datazone.birdlife.org/species/factsheet/masked-shrike-lanius-nubicus/distribution
AlinoVegano
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I'm not yet sure what it, is on my side... we will have other comments I guess.
I can confirm that there is a large number of lanius in the area where I live, both as a population and as a species.
I will attach an image in which I think I was surprised, in the same area a lanius collurio and 2 oenanthe oenanthe: http://imgur.com/a/PsDLk
I will attach an image in which I think I was surprised, in the same area a lanius collurio and 2 oenanthe oenanthe: http://imgur.com/a/PsDLk
birdmeister
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The tail looks a bit long and too deeply notched for House Sparrow to me.
CARERY
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If it was a Masked Shrike I would expect to see at least a hint of the white patch at the base of the primaries on pic #1. Far too long-tailed for House Sparrow.
My first impression was bunting. Could it be a female/1cy Black-headed Bunting? Although the tail is possibly a bit long and also the head-pattern doesn't seem to be quite right... hmmm, where in Romania did you take the photo?
My first impression was bunting. Could it be a female/1cy Black-headed Bunting? Although the tail is possibly a bit long and also the head-pattern doesn't seem to be quite right... hmmm, where in Romania did you take the photo?
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AlinoVegano
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I'm glad to see that everyone is struggling even to identify the family. The tail matches the best an Emberizidae and the beak is not right for a Laniidae. Therefore, I would exclude shrikes and sparrows.
birdmeister
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Does the bird have yellow undertail coverts or is that an artifact of the lighting?
CARERY
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Black-headed Buntings shouldn't occur there. But who knows, I've heard of a breeding attempt in S-Germany this year. Have you seen this species in your area?
AlinoVegano
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I think the eye-brow excluded BhB.
I based my initial guess on the seemingly shrike-like stance, the short legs and the general plumage patterns and colouration.
https://www.google.dk/search?q=mask...UICSgB&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=feDt3V-JePG2RM:
The white patch at the base of the primaries are not seen when the wing is folded completely.
https://www.google.dk/search?q=juve...UICSgB&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=ya2IAP8Rnmsh1M:
No other European shrike has such a proportionately long tail (except Long-tailed Shrike, ha ha), but against my shot from the hip are the following issues:
Yellow (if no artefact) undertailcoverts, forked tail (typical for buntings), and possibly shape of bill (though blurred on the photo).
Nice challenge here:t:
Peter
https://www.google.dk/search?q=mask...UICSgB&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=feDt3V-JePG2RM:
The white patch at the base of the primaries are not seen when the wing is folded completely.
https://www.google.dk/search?q=juve...UICSgB&biw=1024&bih=672#imgrc=ya2IAP8Rnmsh1M:
No other European shrike has such a proportionately long tail (except Long-tailed Shrike, ha ha), but against my shot from the hip are the following issues:
Yellow (if no artefact) undertailcoverts, forked tail (typical for buntings), and possibly shape of bill (though blurred on the photo).
Nice challenge here:t:
Peter
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CARERY
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If it really is an eye-brow and not an artefact... supposing it is real than of course BhB is excluded. Actually, my first thought was Yellowhammer or Cirl Bunting (due to very long tail) but the bill seems too large and the underside is too little marked. But this might be due to over-exposure?
Once more, it shows how difficult it can be to determine bird from rather blurred photos...
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