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Old Sunday 10th December 2006, 00:47   #51
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Deborah - this piece is superb - it's like a scraperboard x aquatint hybrid with bits of wax relief (that's NOT a sexual act, ya'hear?) thrown in. Very, very good.
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Hi Des - I used photoshop for this wooden duck! Unlike Ed (who clearly knows a damn site more than me about, well, probably everything) I'm still using a steam-powered pointing device called a MOUSE - I think Ed has a Light-sabre or something. I remember once reading about these new-fangled graphics tools, but put them firmly into the cupboard marked 'Fanciful Thinking, The Round-Earth and Other Things Which Won't Happen!
If you're seriously interested - Photoshop allows one to work in layers - the only way to get believable (by 'believable' I really mean 'photographically believable' as there are, of course, many truths) and it's a good trick to get the hang of useing the smudge and blur tools - soft, out-of-focus effects etc.
Whatever, don't forget to keep your pencil sharp!!!! (Baaa, Humbug!)
Thanks for the info Tim. Don't worry this is just a passing phase, and I promise to sharpen my pencil again soon.

I wouldn't mind trying one of those light sabres Ed mentions first though as my mouse is not very well behaved.

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Light sabres available from here: Intuos 3 from Wacom http://www.wacom.com/productinfo/intuos.cfm- simply brilliant (nope- not sponsored by them ). But there will be plenty of others out there as well.

I definitely don't know about system requirements except that the sabre works on MAC or PC. You do need enough speed RAM or whatever to ensure that there is no time lag, i.e. the speed at which paint is displayed on the monitor matches the speed you move your pen over the tablet.

As for smudge and blur in photoshop- those two plus the clone tool and gradient tool would be my top 4 most used- apart from yer brush and eraser. I do have a paint a feather in photoshop tutorial, but that might send Tim over the edge..

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are any of the lower priced models worth a look? Wacom do a model called Graphire4 with an A6 tablet area for about 70.

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Old Sunday 10th December 2006, 15:17   #54
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I've not worked out a good way to deal with reflections yet so I've kept this one simple.
Away to the BF naughty corner for me for being braindead when labelling my Goldeneye pic!

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Old Monday 11th December 2006, 10:01   #55
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are any of the lower priced models worth a look? Wacom do a model called Graphire4 with an A6 tablet area for about 70.

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My guess is that Graphire 4 is just fine- but I'm always a bit hesitant about recommending something I haven't used.

The smaller tablets should be OK- as you have probably worked out, the size of tablet is unrelated to the size or levle of detail in the image you see on screen- it is just that the smaller the tablet, the less room you have for sweeping hand movements, which is limiting for artistic flourishes, but not so much of an issue for careful and steady drawing.

As for choice of range- I have always used Intuos rather than Graphire, but only because the former is what my graphic design guru uses- it may be that the main difference in functionality is that Intuos has controls on the tablet that you can use rather than on screen. But that's not a major point for a non-pro: I never use them.

I'm happy to add to the above by PM- or on forum if potentially of interest to others.

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My guess is that Graphire 4 is just fine- but I'm always a bit hesitant about recommending something I haven't used.

The smaller tablets should be OK- as you have probably worked out, the size of tablet is unrelated to the size or levle of detail in the image you see on screen- it is just that the smaller the tablet, the less room you have for sweeping hand movements, which is limiting for artistic flourishes, but not so much of an issue for careful and steady drawing.

As for choice of range- I have always used Intuos rather than Graphire, but only because the former is what my graphic design guru uses- it may be that the main difference in functionality is that Intuos has controls on the tablet that you can use rather than on screen. But that's not a major point for a non-pro: I never use them.

I'm happy to add to the above by PM- or on forum if potentially of interest to others.

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Thanks for the info Ed.

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Hi Des

At Ed's encouragement, I went along to a shop that stocks Wacom products here and got the chance to use a Graphire demo tablet - awesome! If you want to have a go, try this website:

http://www.wacom-europe.com

and find a dealer near you. Many seem to have a demo set (of either Graphire or Intuos) for you to have a doodle on. Beware though - once you try one it will be difficult to resist!!!

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Here's an effort with my mouse and Photoshop, plus the benefit of Ed's tutorial!

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Just had a go at this RBS
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Here's an effort with my mouse and Photoshop, plus the benefit of Ed's tutorial!

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Congratulations- you have hit the ground running (just like plovers do..)

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Dave - You actually did that with a MOUSE?? That really is fabulous close control (RyanGiggsy-esque) and no small amount of creativity. Very good!
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Wish i could doodle like all of those, couldn't even manage anything close with a pencil never mind a mouse!! :(

Here's my attempt (cheat) ;-)
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Dave - You actually did that with a MOUSE?? That really is fabulous close control (RyanGiggsy-esque) and no small amount of creativity. Very good!
Hi Tim (and thanks Ed)

The key is to blow the pic up REALLY large, and then go pixel by pixel. Pretty laborious work really, and another reason why I covet Ed's pen and tablet!

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Wish i could doodle like all of those, couldn't even manage anything close with a pencil never mind a mouse!! :(

Here's my attempt (cheat) ;-)
There's something I really like about your Waxwing Jeff - the simplicity of the lines I think. In fact I did a bit of tinkering with it (sorry if that isn't kosher!) and simplified it yet further by taking all the colour out of it and bringing out some of the line s a bit more. Hope you like it. Looks a bit like a local bird club logo now. Any takers??

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Oi - If we're starting a design agency - I'm IN!!! - But I also wanna be creative director, and I wanna be captain, and I wanna be wicket-keeper AND bowler (at the same time) and I wana 4 hour lunch break, oh, er - Sally reminds me I already have that!
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Oi - If we're starting a design agency - I'm IN!!! - But I also wanna be creative director, and I wanna be captain, and I wanna be wicket-keeper AND bowler (at the same time) and I wana 4 hour lunch break, oh, er - Sally reminds me I already have that!
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Just downloaded artweaver. Not bad for a freebie. First attempt with a quick sketch, think I'll take Dave B's advice next and blow it up big first, rather than accept the default size...
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Wow - some really great efforts here! (btw, I love your waxwing, Jeff, 'smudging' an all, it really looks like some of the Japanese artist's brushwork)

How about some Christmas Card ideas anyone? - Pheasants, Robins, snow, stuff, ya know ...

heres a couple of my very feeble attempts - but hey, maybe it'll inspire some decent Santas, who knows
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Wow - some really great efforts here! (btw, I love your waxwing, Jeff, 'smudging' an all, it really looks like some of the Japanese artist's brushwork)

How about some Christmas Card ideas anyone? - Pheasants, Robins, snow, stuff, ya know ...

heres a couple of my very feeble attempts - but hey, maybe it'll inspire some decent Santas, who knows
Very nice, your all too talented.

The waxwing was using drawing sofware on a photo, i like the cleaned up version though :)
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How about some Christmas Card ideas anyone? - Pheasants, Robins, snow, stuff, ya know ...
OK..sounds a giggle

Heres my effort..
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Heres my effort..
Arf! Arf!
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Heres my effort..
Very good, here's your mouse.
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Gape...Gulp...Yumm

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There's something I really like about your Waxwing Jeff - the simplicity of the lines I think. In fact I did a bit of tinkering with it (sorry if that isn't kosher!) and simplified it yet further by taking all the colour out of it and bringing out some of the line s a bit more. Hope you like it. Looks a bit like a local bird club logo now. Any takers??

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There y'go Jeff, now all you need is the website and the birdline will soon follow. Reckon you're in the money mate!

Meanwhile, back at the Photoshop, I've been inspired to have another doodle with the mouse this evening on my earlier Malaysian Plover head. I LOVE the way you can go back to something, try different layers, and fiddle around ad infinitum. Great for a compulsive perfectionist like me!

Not finished yet, but it's come quite a long way since last time.

Merry Christmas

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