[Phil Andrews]

I logged on thinking this was going to be a thread about tights ...

[Nohatch]

Originally Posted by Andrew Montford

the fact that [...] promoted it as if it were important and then defended it to the hilt when it was found to be flawed. It shows us that [...] is not trustworthy.

I'm sorry but the same could be said for the vast majority of 'sceptics' book, websites and interviews out there - and thus the same conclusion drawn. Now I am not familiar with your work, so this is more meant as a general observation. If this were to cut both ways fairly, then so be it, but the disproportionate amount of media attention against, for example, the UEA team in climategate versus the 'back page' coverage when they were acquitted is striking. It's the same disproportion we see in the entire popular media - it's not a reflection of scientific consensus, which means it's either a misinterpretation, ignorance, or just blatantly/selectively ignoring the facts.
Every political person or body has their own agenda and I'm sure the IPCC does as well, which makes them biased. How else are you going to push through your point of view? Science, based on pure hard facts, is neutral and blissfully ignorant of political agenda (as are the majority of scientists I have to add...). Current scientific consensus, based on hundreds of thousands of individual pieces of research is ACC. So why vehemently object to that consensus? We don't object to the state-of-the-art in dentistry or aviation theory. And the argument that the entire scientific community blocks ACC papers by giving them bad reviews is poor and shows a hint of a Calimero-complex.
I hope we can agree that consensus about ACC has to be based on facts, not opinions or coloured views. That's what the whole scientific method is for. Well, I've said my peace - will continue to follow this thread like JC.

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[Minto]

James Hansen now says extreme weather linked to Climate Change, you can read it all in the Beano. Isn't it funny how any type of extreme weather floods, drought , snow can be linked to Climate change, and they wonder why the man in the street just yawns with every pronouncement. I'm still waiting for that idiot Gordon Browns " fifty days to save the planet " to come true