Steven Astley
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mw_aurora said:
Its surely got to be juvenile peregrine. Breast streaking is too thin for hobby and there is a reddish tinge to the breast.
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Its surely got to be juvenile peregrine. Breast streaking is too thin for hobby and there is a reddish tinge to the breast.
Steven Astley
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jonny h said:
The tree is coniferous (which doesn't proove much apart from the fact it makes me wary of your judgement) and juv hobbys have brown wash to their breast,
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Jane Turner
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My bird, I decided was probably a Peregrine x Saker. The Peregrine watching it thought it was close enough to attempt copulation.
London Birder
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I'm fairly sure jonny meant coniferous ......
It's a Pupp.............Hobby !
It's a Pupp.............Hobby !
mjmw
formally known as mw_aurora
jonny h said:
It looks like a Coniferous tree to me not deciduous (but I think I know what you meant
) and I am not sure why you are assuming the tree is small. Because of this I can not tell how big the bird is, only that it looks 'skinny'.My first reaction was Hobby, but looking at the plumage details of the visible bird, the face pattern and breast did not 'ring true' to me, hence my previous comments and thoughts that it is Peg.
Cheers Mark.
London Birder
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ok we all agree that Janes bird is a hybrid of some sort .... unless someone would like to claim it's a forest Falconet, which to be honest, wouldn't surprise me
the big falcon is pretty much un i.d-able(is that a word!?) they are beyond me does anyone know better?. the other one is just a hobby.
i cant see where peregrine comes from - in 20 years birdin i seen plenty of both and its a hobby at the nest.
this chat is very informative but think we try to hard rather than relying on gut instinct and most folk thought hobby
i cant see where peregrine comes from - in 20 years birdin i seen plenty of both and its a hobby at the nest.
this chat is very informative but think we try to hard rather than relying on gut instinct and most folk thought hobby
London Birder
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well, I could say to you that the bird is lightweight as opposed to being a powerfully built Peregrine but then you could argue that you think it's powerfully built .... that's subjectivity for ya ... furthermore, I can see the small white mark above the eye (albeit not very well but I can make it out), the bill isn't particularly heavy, it's merely in proportion with the rest of the bird ... the moustachial streak is well in line with Hobby, Peregrines can almost look hooded as a consequence of a very full moustachial streak running back into dark upper cheeks and the rear of the head, also, the small white intrusion to the rear of the eye (typically Hobby) .... the breast streaking is totally fine for Hobby, nice and fine at the top and becoming bolder and heavier as it progresses down toward the breast etc ... as for the slight ruuset tones hear n there, again not problem for Hobby, particularly if it's a sub-adult (which I suspect) .... habitat is also a pointer (though nothing more I agree) ie coniferous .... and to add I have been working with and observing Peregrines intimately on a near-daily basis for 3 years, and see many Hobbys during the course of the year ... visited a nice nest-site this year (at a respectful range of course) ... but more than anything else it's 'Gizz' screams Hobby ... however, I'm not particularly out to convince anyone what it is, that's for you to decide in your own way...the same way I have
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London Birder
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your welcome Mark
mjmw
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jonny h said:
The bird shows features that could fit both species (as described by LB above), but my feeling is that most fit better with Peregrine (as stated in my posts before). I agree that the structure looks too 'skinny' but there are plenty of photos of Peg and other large falcons that show them looking 'skinny'. A still image does not always show the full 'Gizz' we birders often use (they lack the movement), as I think is clearly demonstrated by the origins of this thread.
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London Birder
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ok Mark, like you say we'll have to disagree
Maybe the pic should be posted for another thread, see what others opinions are as it's a bit buried in this thread ..... on 2nd thoughts .......
Maybe the pic should be posted for another thread, see what others opinions are as it's a bit buried in this thread ..... on 2nd thoughts .......
