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JANJ · Jul 10, 2006

I see your point about the seemingly greyish tone to this gull, which I still hold as a GBBG, but I don´t trust the image according to black and white tones. Some argentatus are still more brownish at this time of year, some are not, some are more dark patterned on belly, some are not and so on.. and it´s a pitty we can´t see wing and tail pattern as well!

Some argentatus:

http://www.elisanet.fi/antero.lindholm/public_html/lokki/arg2kv.htm

JanJ

buzzard12 · Jul 10, 2006

namq said:
Thanks!

These young gulls were amazing - I could nearly touch them. Like pigeons in other cities.

I wonder if I get these right... Photos taken today, northern Poland. Thanks in advance.

1. (Red) Knot Calidris canutus ?
2. Redshanks ??
3. Sandwich Tern Sterna sandivicensis ?
4. Arctic Tern Sterna paradisea ?
5. Mallard - partially eclipse ??

Would go with Curlew Sandpiper for the 1st picture, Greenshank for the 2nd, all the rest correctly identified by you. Redshank always shows a white trailing edge to the wing...

gerdwichers8 · Jul 11, 2006

For the head and the bill, I am willing to give in on either site. My feelings say it matches for GBBG but my findings show me that some Herring match the typical bill shape as well; two birds were found to be completely equal . One GBBG is found completely equal in bill shape with this bird, most others are found to have even heavier bills. For bill length in proportion of width of the bill, I would place it with most GBBG. After all, this shape of bill is typical GBBG. Still two Herring remained on this feature, all the other Herring show longer bills compared to width of the bill. For the position of the eye in the head, it falls out of reach of the longer billed Herrings, with their sloping heads, the broadbilled Herrings remain on this feature, together with another I found
For the plumage: I have not found any GBBG to be so much out of contrast with dark patterning. Even the palest GBBG still has still a lot more of darker patterning overall.
Our bird shows only few darker feathers on the lesser coverts and some darker patterning is found on a few visible scapulars.
Even many Herring gulls are featured with more darker contrast than this bird and not few birds are equally pale.
The younger GBBGs are not solely without lighter greyer tones and are to be found with and without these greyer tones as well.
To make the lighter grey tone as conclusive between the species at this age is therefore invallid.

Since I am not able to let the most important feature be shown :
The size of the bird itself,
I will not tag a final identity to this bird unless a better feature will enter the Forum arena.

Gerd

namq · Jul 11, 2006

2 more photos of the 5th gull. I could get the size of it if I go back and measure the lamp

gerdwichers8 · Jul 11, 2006

The bird is standing a bit higher than us, but still knows how to bow its head

JANJ · Jul 11, 2006

Thats an improvment namq, looks a bit sharper now, and even a better GBBG.

Whay do you say Gerd?

JanJ

gerdwichers8 · Jul 11, 2006

The headshape, both the front and the back of the head is perfect for GBBG.
Combined with still a pale head, the head may be conclusive (since two strong features are at one place, it ll become hard to argue otherwise)
For the plumage I would say no.
Looking at it as a thumbnail, I would say yes.

JANJ · Jul 11, 2006

Let´s make it a Herring Gull with a Great Black-backed Gull head then. 3

JanJ :smoke:

namq · Jul 11, 2006

JANJ said:
Let´s make it a Herring Gull with a Great Black-backed Gull head then. 3

JanJ :smoke:

Could it be a hybrid then?

Some more photos of a Phylloscopus (photo #2, post #36). Wood Warbler would be a new species for me |:d| - these seem to be not too common in my region. Plus one more young Tern (Black?) and Gull.

gerdwichers8 · Jul 11, 2006

Wood warbler has been a really abundant phyloscopus during my trip through your country this spring. Their distinctive song was heard all along.
I heard them in every forest in Poland. I dd say it to be subjective to make it numberwise the most abundant, but they attracted me the more to watch at them.

Your phyloscopus are all willow w. , a black tern and... I am with JanJ: a fine looking GBBG

JANJ · Jul 11, 2006

Willow, Black Tern and another GBBG.

JanJ

gerdwichers8 · Jul 11, 2006

12345 Thanks J, I enjoyed it

mikus · Jul 11, 2006

Namq, Wood warblers are abundant in our region as well (although I realized it only this year) - places to look for them are beech woods of Trojmiejski Park Krajobrazowy; difficult to watch though, but song with crazy accelerando at the end distinctive, best listened to probably in May

namq · Jul 11, 2006

gerdwichers8 said:
Wood warbler has been a really abundant phyloscopus during my trip through your country this spring. Their distinctive song was heard all along.
I heard them in every forest in Poland. I dd say it to be subjective to make it numberwise the most abundant, but they attracted me the more to watch at them.

I know they are common in Poland, maybe even in my region, I just didn't notice them yet. It's strange - I try to photograph each and every new or unidentified bird I see and I didn't encounter Wood Warblers yet. 154 species this year, no Wood Warbler...

namq · Jul 11, 2006

mikus said:
Namq, Wood warblers are abundant in our region as well (although I realized it only this year) - places to look for them are beech woods of Trojmiejski Park Krajobrazowy; difficult to watch though, but song with crazy accelerando at the end distinctive, best listened to probably in May

Hi mikus!

It's even probable that there's a Wood Warbler within 1 km from my place now (I live quite close to a forest), but somehow I did not encounter any, yet. The funny thing is that when I see a new bird I always find them everywhere afterwards

stonechat1 · Jul 12, 2006

Hy namq,

there are no pics of Citril Wagtail (Motacilla citreola)?!

Rez. Beka is a well know´n breeding - place for this species
This pic I made there (and many more):
http://www.birdforum.net/pp_gallery/showphoto.php/photo/81873/sort/1/cat/500/page/1
Where did you take the gull-pics? Wladyslawowo, Hel? The port of W. produce in winter good options for rarity´s but this is nothing new for you I guess.

Best regards, Roman

namq · Jul 12, 2006

stonechat1 said:
Hy namq,

there are no pics of Citril Wagtail (Motacilla citreola)?!

Rez. Beka is a well know´n breeding - place for this species
This pic I made there (and many more):
http://www.birdforum.net/pp_gallery/showphoto.php/photo/81873/sort/1/cat/500/page/1

Some of my photos of Citrine Wagtail:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/namq/tags/pliszkacytrynowa/

Here is the list of some of the bird species (not all) I've photographed:
http://flickr.com/people/namq/

I've never seen a Mongolian Plover yet. Nice catch! I know there were some observations of them in Beka.

stonechat1 said:
Where did you take the gull-pics? Wladyslawowo, Hel? The port of W. produce in winter good options for rarity´s but this is nothing new for you I guess.

These photos were taken in Ustka. Yes, Władysławowo is a good place for rarities in Poland, but I did not see any yet.

gerdwichers8 · Jul 12, 2006

I had a singing Citrin Wagtail male singing in the Biebrza at 14th of May at Barwick.
Later on a male singing at the 2nd of June at the Teici Reserve in Latvia.
This bird is heading West wards?

namq · Aug 3, 2006

Back to birdwatching in Poland. All photos taken today in Beka reserve, northern Poland.

Thanks in advance for help. If you need better photos, say so - I can edit them (RAW format).

6829-6874: ?
6890: Temminck's Stint ?
6894: juv Little Ringed Plover ?

lou salomon · Aug 3, 2006

6829 + 6831 reed buntings
6874 linnets?
6890 is hard but prob. right with temminckii
6894 juv little ringed plovers alright

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