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Old Thursday 27th April 2017, 13:35   #26
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Maybe the EU just got over the UK using it's influence to broker special treatment as it has done for years.....

Whatever, good luck with leaving. You'll need it.
Luck won't come into it - the reality of trade will.

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Old Thursday 27th April 2017, 14:02   #27
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You are assuming immigration is a problem. I am not.

Maybe the EU just got over the UK using it's influence to broker special treatment as it has done for years.....

Whatever, good luck with leaving. You'll need it.
I suppose the aboriginal Australians must have assumed that immigration was not a problem at some point.
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Why will bird conservation be poorer? Lack of influence in making the EU enforce the wildbird directive. If it was difficult from within the EU, it won't happen from the outside.
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IMO we have no influence and that is demonstrable by the 'emergency brake' argument. How can you change things from the inside when an organisation lacks the will,, means or structures to change. The UK can be more direct from outside the block and can make bilateral arrangements.



Yes, separate point and happy to discuss this elsewhere
This point, which is widely commented on in BF, is that UK taxpayers' money which subsidises grouse moor estates (rural support grants? I'm not familiar with your system) goes equally to estates in which Hen Harriers and other raptors are killed illegally as well as those which do not break the law.

I am glad to read mjh73 successfully demolishing all of your arguments!
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