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robmeades · Jun 15, 2004

Not sure what the protocol is in here, so apologies in advance if I get this wrong. We've a number of moths in our trap from the weekend before last that we have been unable to identify and wondered if anyone in here would be expert enough to offer some help? I've attached one of the pictures, but if you feel able to do a few more, they are at:

Moths from the 6th June trapping

Just hover your mouse over the pictures and the pop-up will indicate whether we think we've got that particular moth taped or not. Feel free to correct those we've misidentified as well of course...

Rob

Screech · Jun 15, 2004

Hi Rob, Welcome to Bird Forum from Admin and Moderators.

Viewed your moth pic, outstanding shot. Sorry I can't help you on ID. We have an active group for Moths, Butterflies, etc. here at BF.
The Gallery contains a Moth section filled with pics from members around the globe, you might find your moth there.
Hope you enjoy the many Forums presented here.

CJW · Jun 15, 2004

Hi Rob and another welcome from the Mods. and Admin.
No particular protocol involved mate, feel free to post away any queries (be they moth or bird related). We have some really good moth-ers on here and I'm sure one of the guys will be along shortly with the answer to your identification quandary. I'd have a go myself, but with no access to my literature, I'd hate to get it wrong - these guys are forever picking on me

Over to you Angus/Harry et al
PS But if I were forced to hazard a guess, I'd go for Green Arches.

Brian Stone · Jun 15, 2004

I'd probably have that down as Large Nutmeg and would just as likely be wrong. Any of the experts going to have a go?

Ranger James · Jun 15, 2004

Perhaps Silvery arches?
James

Brian Stone · Jun 15, 2004

I'd be surprised if the one pictured here isn't an Apamea sp. Some nice pics on the link. Only going for ones I know a bit below. Would be interested to know the others (and those I have wrong).

Row 1: Buff-tip, The Campion (wouldn't mind one of these), ?
Row 2: Heart & Dart x 2, Common Swift, Marbled Minor agg.
Row 3: ?, Rustic Shoulder-knot (pos Large Nutmeg), ?, ?
Row 4: Nope
Row 5: Shuttle-shaped Dart, Common Swift, ?
Row 6: ?, Clouded Silver, Garden Pebble
Row 7: Mottled Pug, Udea olivalis

CJW · Jun 15, 2004

brianhstone said:
Row 1: Buff-tip, The Campion (wouldn't mind one of these), ?

Beautiful Brocade.

MikeWall · Jun 15, 2004

Brian mentioned this forum when he and I communicated on the ukmoths e-group, so I thought I'd join up and have a look.

My view on the unknowns/queries are:
"Rufous Minor" - Rufous Minor isn't identifiable from external characteristics, it'll have to go down as Marbled Minor agg. (most likely is Marbled Minor)
Unknown 5 - worn Common Swift
Un 6 - Large Nutmeg
Un 8 - Large Nutmeg
Pale-shouldered Brocade - worn The Shears
Un 7 - Rustic Shoulder-knot
Un 10 - Rustic Shoulder-knot
Un 9 - Epinotia bilunana
Un 12 - Shuttle-shaped Dart
Un 16 - Large Nutmeg
"Beautiful Brocade" - The Shears
Un 2 - Garden Pebble, Evergestis forficalis
"Slender Pug" - looks like Mottled to me.

Not sure if CJW was querying The Campion in row 1, but it certainly is!

HTH

Mike
HantsMoths: http://www.bike2nature.co.uk

CJW · Jun 15, 2004

MikeWall said:
Not sure if CJW was querying The Campion in row 1, but it certainly is!

Hi Mike and welcome to Bird Forum from all the Moderators and Admin. Staff
If you're into moths, this is really the place to be, with some very knowledgable people contributing (and me)!
No, I wasn't doubting the Campion ID at all (it's common enough over here).

Brian Stone · Jun 15, 2004

Nice to see you here Mike.

Chris repeated my question mark for the third moth in row 1 (although I now notice that the rows depend on how large your browser window is, which makes my list look a bit daft to some I should think). I hadn't noticed the labels so was having a go at all of them. I can now see this is labelled Light Brocade. Not one I've seen but looks good.

MikeWall · Jun 15, 2004

CJW said:
Hi Mike and welcome to Bird Forum from all the Moderators and Admin. Staff
If you're into moths, this is really the place to be, with some very knowledgable people contributing (and me)!
No, I wasn't doubting the Campion ID at all (it's common enough over here).

Hiya,
It's OK, I just wondered what the Beautiful Brocade comment was referring to?

Mike

MikeWall · Jun 15, 2004

brianhstone said:
Nice to see you here Mike.

Chris repeated my question mark for the third moth in row 1 (although I now notice that the rows depend on how large your browser window is, which makes my list look a bit daft to some I should think). I hadn't noticed the labels so was having a go at all of them. I can now see this is labelled Light Brocade. Not one I've seen but looks good.

Nice to see you too. Sorry Chris, I understand now (duh!). Yes, it's a Light Brocade - this has been a good year for them down my way in Basingstoke, Hants (they seem to occur mainly on the chalk in Hants), with at least 50 records so far - coming to an end now though.

Brian Stone · Jun 15, 2004

Only 11 previous recs for Hunts but as its a limestone beasty I stand a chance as I have attracted a couple of others at my location so far. Another one to look out for.

Surreybirder · Jun 15, 2004

robmeades said:
Not sure what the protocol is in here, so apologies in advance if I get this wrong. We've a number of moths in our trap from the weekend before last that we have been unable to identify <snip>

Rob

I'd like to add my welcome to mothforum.net -- whoops, I'll get into trouble with the non-moth-ers

It's a great site (all of it, not just the moth stuff).

Ken

CJW · Jun 15, 2004

Now then Ken, don't be at it.

robmeades · Jun 15, 2004

Coo - thanks!

Didn't expect quite such a large and knowledgable response! Thanks very much indeed. Summarising:

I'll take your word on Rufous Minor -> Marbled Minor, Brocades -> Shears, Unknown 12 -> Shuttle-shaped Dart and Slender Pug -> Mottled Pug.

Unknown 5 -> worn Common Swift looks spot-on.

Unknown 9 -> Epinotia bilunana, Unknown 2 -> Garden Pebble and Unknown 14 -> Udea olivalis are all bulls-eyes, most of which my copy of Skinner seems to omit but which ukmoths comes to the rescue on.
:clap:

The ones I'm really confused about are the Large Nutmegs and the Rustic Shoulder-knot. How do I distinguish between them? I've attached a picture of each to this post. Apologies for attaching pictures rather than links, but I (or my service provider) seems to be having problems with my homepage at the moment.

CJW · Jun 15, 2004

Hi Rob, I've taken a couple of liberties with the shots you posted and circled 3 main differences. Hope it helps.

robmeades · Jun 15, 2004

although I now notice that the rows depend on how large your browser window is <snip>

Should have fixed this now, but until the power comes back on at my web-host's ISP no-one's going to notice...

robmeades · Jun 16, 2004

CJW said:
Hi Rob, I've taken a couple of liberties with the shots you posted and circled 3 main differences. Hope it helps.

Interesting. If I read you correctly, the Rustic Shoulder-knot has small black diamonds along the ends of the upper wings and large whiteish spots on the sides of the upper wings. What's the feature you've ringed near the head of the wee beastie?

CJW · Jun 16, 2004

It's the shoulder-knot! It's a black line that runs parallel to the thorax when at rest and at right angles to it in set specimens. If you look in your Skinner at any species called 'shoulder knot' (Blair's, Rustic, Grey etc etc) you will see they have this feature in common.

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