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Old Thursday 24th May 2012, 16:00   #26
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Wasn't there a record of Wire-tailed Swallow from Egypt in the '90s?
It's not listed by EORC or AERC.

PS. Jiguet et al 2010. First report of the Egyptian Ornithological Rarities Committee.
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The following records have been considered as not proven by the committee. As a consequence, the following species are not considered to have occurred in Egypt.

Wire-tailed Swallow Hirundo smithii, Wadi Hagul, 1 ind., 30 March 1995. Several key features are not described (e.g. the dark ventral bar) and the description and drawing of the tail pattern is not appropriate for that species.

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Old Thursday 24th May 2012, 17:14   #27
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There was a Chinese Pond Heron in Hungary in 2000, I think only the second ever record. It's in the concise BWP but not here?

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Old Thursday 24th May 2012, 18:11   #28
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There was a Chinese Pond Heron in Hungary in 2000, I think only the second ever record. It's in the concise BWP but not here?

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It was accepted in category D and therefore not in the book... Actually, none of the European records have been accepted into category A...
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Old Thursday 24th May 2012, 18:14   #29
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There was a Chinese Pond Heron in Hungary in 2000, I think only the second ever record. It's in the concise BWP but not here?
It's on the Hungarian Rarities Committee's list as Cat D (reasonable doubt of occurrence in a natural state).

PS. Marcel is quicker - and more knowledgeable!

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Old Friday 25th May 2012, 12:48   #30
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[quote=Richard Klim;2447562]It's on the Hungarian Rarities Committee's list as Cat D (reasonable doubt of occurrence in a natural state).

Hi there,

This Chinese Pond Heron got a Da, means it has some chance for the natural origin, De means no chance for the natural origin.
If you make a list, you can count, but this book includes only records category A and B!

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Old Friday 25th May 2012, 15:01   #31
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Thanks all for the clarification. I was there at the time and saw the bird for myself but never really followed up on the Rarities List.

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Old Monday 16th July 2012, 18:57   #32
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Reviewed by Paul Harvey: BB 105(7): 422.

[Harvey notes that the taxonomy follows that of the Dutch authorities, and comments that he was surprised to see Parulidae and Icteridae merged into Emberizidae. But exactly the same treatment was adopted by BOURC (wef 38th Report, Oct 2009).]
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Old Saturday 21st July 2012, 19:30   #33
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Indian Pond Heron

I see that Marcel Haas has included Indian Pond Heron in his book on the basis of a claim in Egypt but this has been found to be not proven (like the Wire-tailed Swallow in the same report). See:-

Jiguet et al 2010 First report of the Egyptian Ornithological Rarities Committee.

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Indian Pond Heron Ardeola grayii. Luxor, Crocodile Island, 1 pre-breeding adult, 24 April 2004. The specific identification relies on correct aging as an adult which is challenged by the non-breeding plumage in April, while the lores are not described.
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AERC TAC noted that the Egyptian record was rejected, but accepts the species as a vagrant in Kuwait.
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Interesting :)

In the report they write: record consideret as not proven - 'Indian Pond Heron Ardeola grayii. Luxor, Crocodile Island, 1 pre-breeding adult, 24 April 2004. The specific identification relies on correct aging as an adult which is challenged by the non-breeding plumage in April, while the lores are not described'.

This record is also not accepted by AERC TAC: Crochet P.-A., Joynt G. (2011): http://www.aerc.eu/tac.html

Only (?) confirmed record of WP comes out of Kuwait in November 2009.

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When I wrote the text, the Egyptian Indian Pond Heron was still accepted as the sole WP record.

In November 2009, one was photographed in Kuwait (see http://www.birdsofkuwait.com/blog/?p=2265). After the recently formed Egyptian rarities committee rejected the Luxor record, the record in Kuwait now is the sole record.
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When I wrote the text, the Egyptian Indian Pond Heron was still accepted as the sole WP record.

In November 2009, one was photographed in Kuwait (see http://www.birdsofkuwait.com/blog/?p=2265). After the recently formed Egyptian rarities committee rejected the Luxor record, the record in Kuwait now is the sole record.
I am not sure the Kuwait bird (quoted above) has been formally accepted by the Kuwait Ornithological Rarities Committee (KORC) as it has been suggested that it may be a Chinese Pond Heron Ardeola bacchus. A short discussion paper about this occurrence is being considered and may be prepared at a later date.

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I am not sure the Kuwait bird (quoted above) has been formally accepted by the Kuwait Ornithological Rarities Committee (KORC)
It has, see: http://birdsofkuwait.com/annotated_checklist.shtml

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