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Old Wednesday 13th September 2017, 10:04   #1
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Hi All

Got here very late, poor light and low tide. Took some long distance shots just in case I could pick out anything interesting later.

Could you look at the plover, second left? Furthest left looks like a Ringed Plover to me, but the other one looks different. Looks like a female Kentish. Pale mark above the eye, no dark markings to the head, paler collar than the other Plover there.

Maybe the picture isn't good enough to ID?

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Old Wednesday 13th September 2017, 10:11   #2
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Why isn't it just a juvenile ringed plover?
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No dark markings on the head? Just pale brown
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No dark markings on the head? Just pale brown
Which is exactly what a 'juvenile' Ringed plover has Gareth. It will acquire the black markings when it moults before next breeding season - along with the orange base to the bill.

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Old Wednesday 13th September 2017, 12:38   #5
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Looking at Collins, shows dark markings on the head for a juvenile Ringed Plover.
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Old Wednesday 13th September 2017, 12:52   #6
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It's just a juv Ringed plover I'm afraid. Compare the extent of white in the face of juv kentish with juv ringo. Kentish are much more diminutive, and generally appear paler overall than Ringed plover - Little ringed is perhaps the commoner confusion species for Kentish plover. Ringed plover show orange coloured legs, whereas Kentish generally have darker legs (black in adults, greyish in younger birds).
Kentish is also really rather scarce in the UK, and the numbers turning up annually have decreased in the last 10-15 years.
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Old Wednesday 13th September 2017, 15:37   #7
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Hi Daniel
They get a few Kentish on the Teifi estuary in early autumn and onwards, but it does look a similar size to the Ringed Plover (far left). Just can't find a picture of a juv. Ringed that does not have some dark markings on the head........................
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It is a juvenile Ringed plover - google and you'll see that they start out quite pale and then darken as they moult to breeding plumage. Kentish have a different head profile amongst other factors that Daniel mentions above.

See here for example:

https://www.davegifford.co.uk/photo/...ringed-plover/

To me this looks identical to your bird

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Me too Mick, I just couldn't find anything like it in any of the books. Everyone I looked in had dark markings on the head of the juv. Ringed.

Thanks for your help guys.
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Few books show all the stages of plumage, even Collins shows only a few. A Google search and a study of the images CAN help .... but by no means all the images are accurately captioned, so care is needed here as well!
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The problem with google searches is that you could be looking at a picture of a bird and it could be mistakenly captioned. I'd rather post here and see what people think.
But thanks anyway. Gareth
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