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A thread to discuss Alphas where all opinions are considered equal. (1 Viewer)

What might make some dubious about whether Nikon are in that 'alpha' category is that they have a hand in all ends of the market - from the Prostaffs, through the Monarchs and upwards. Although Zeiss have fairly recently produced Terras, you can't really say Swaro or Leica engage with the 'entry-level' products.
It also made me realise, when i thought about it, that i don't think i've ever looked through a Nikon bin i didn't like for one reason or another, bearing in mind its position in the range.
 
Of all the 42mm binos I've owned (and there have been an embarrassing amount), I think the one I liked most was the Nikon EDG 8x42 (the second incarnation, not the open-bridge version). I wasn't crazy about the 32mm EDG, though, and preferred the Leica Ultravid 8x32.
A BF contributor recently posted a link to a psychological phenomenon whereby an owner of an item will perceive his/her belongings to be superior to others, no matter how similar, i.e. the mere fact of ownership makes the owner value them more. I can't find that post now, though, and can't remember what the phenomenon is called.
But I suffer (or suffered) from an opposite affliction, i.e. I constantly felt anxious that what I "owned" in binocular terms wasn't sufficient, that I was somehow missing out and needed to achieve improvements, no matter how marginal, in order to "see" birds better. I suppose this is how Marketing/Capitalism works, by making us constantly feel that if only we could shell out a bit more moolah, we could approach perfection and "happiness" through ownership of more efficient products. (I suppose the problem with Socialism would be that as birders, we'd all have the same purchasing power, and the same products....the Ladas or Trabants of optics? And we might have to go on a 20-year waiting list to get them;)).
The variety of binos out there is nice, and there certainly is more available now at every price-point to please most people. Not that the prognosis for humanity, or any other species on the planet, is particularly rosy, though. But at least we can watch it all collapse through nice binos.
 
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What might make some dubious about whether Nikon are in that 'alpha' category is that they have a hand in all ends of the market - from the Prostaffs, through the Monarchs and upwards. Although Zeiss have fairly recently produced Terras, you can't really say Swaro or Leica engage with the 'entry-level' products.
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Hi Paddy

I certainly wouldn't write off a brand's alpha status on the grounds that they have entered the market at all price points. Good luck to them.

Swaro has CL Companion and Leica has Trinovids so both brands have expanded downwards from top level and of course Zeiss has Terra ED and Conquest HD.

If an alpha brand is defined as a brand catering only for the ultimate in optics then there are no alpha brands today.

Lee
 
A BF contributor recently posted a link to a psychological phenomenon whereby an owner of an item will perceive his/her belongings to be superior to others, no matter how similar, i.e. the mere fact of ownership makes the owner value them more. I can't find that post now, though, and can't remember what the phenomenon is called.

Sancho

Its called 'Wishful Thinking Syndrome' or 'Delusion Disorder'.

Lee
 
I have had a lot of different alpha's but after having three sticky Swarovski focusers I sold them all. I really believe the Maven's and Tract Toric's are overall a better binocular for me. I have the Trac Toric 8x42, Maven B.2 9x45 and the Canon 10x42 IS-L. No more alpha's for me I don't see the point. I really think with these higher performing mid-priced binoculars that are sold direct to the consumer the alpha's are doomed to extinction except for a few diehards who are to stubborn to try them.
 
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Sancho

Its called 'Wishful Thinking Syndrome' or 'Delusion Disorder'.

Lee
:-O! And what do we call the angst that drives our dissatisfaction with perfectly fine binoculars that are actually in our possession? (Don't say 'Stupidity', I feel stupid enough already)
 
:-O! And what do we call the angst that drives our dissatisfaction with perfectly fine binoculars that are actually in our possession? (Don't say 'Stupidity', I feel stupid enough already)

I don't know, I'm not dissatisfied with mine.

Serious answer: it might be angst for some folks but not for everyone. Since all binoculars (whether perfectly fine or not) are compromises there is the possibility of other bins offering a compromise that better suits some situations than the bins you have. And this need not necessarily mean replacing bins but adding to them (thats my excuse anyway). There are plenty of tangible reasons for having more than one pair of bins in your arsenal and I am sure you know them without me listing them.

However we are drifting off the subject of alphas here so best call it a day for this discussion unless you want to start a thread on Ruffled Feathers where we can display our angst for all to see :eek!:

Lee
 
Regarding stray light issues, yesterday I was out very early, a crisp -2C, and walked my Lab Ben around the valleys of the Walkham and Tavy rivers where they meet at a place called Double waters after plunging off Dartmoor and into deep wooded valleys.



My 42mm SV had no real issues, I`d call it class average, certainly on a par with UV, under the same circumstances my 32mm SV would have been pretty much useless.
 

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Alpha has several definitions, in binoculars, my interpretation is the best possible view without regards to cost, and IMO, it takes a considerable expenditure to buy the best if we're really being honest. I can't imagine Gerold Dobler designed the SV and SF with a middle of the road view in mind, and I certainly don't see one when viewing with them.
 
Alpha has several definitions, in binoculars, my interpretation is the best possible view without regards to cost, and IMO, it takes a considerable expenditure to buy the best if we're really being honest. I can't imagine Gerold Dobler designed the SV and SF with a middle of the road view in mind, and I certainly don't see one when viewing with them.

SD

I know what you mean but I have to point out that Herr Dobler led the design team for the original Swarovski EL not the more recent Swarovision and with both EL and SF I am sure there must have been cost constraints.

But to take your main point, I am certain that both the Swaro and Zeiss teams were not interested in a middle of the road ho-hum solution.

Lee
 
:-O! And what do we call the angst that drives our dissatisfaction with perfectly fine binoculars that are actually in our possession? (Don't say 'Stupidity', I feel stupid enough already)
It's called FOMO ! .... It's a Gen Y thing .... can also be caught by reading too many glowing BF posts ladled with superlatives :-O


Chosun :gh:
 
No need to use facts when half truths make for a more interesting story. :-O:-O:-O

SD

I know what you mean but I have to point out that Herr Dobler led the design team for the original Swarovski EL not the more recent Swarovision and with both EL and SF I am sure there must have been cost constraints.

But to take your main point, I am certain that both the Swaro and Zeiss teams were not interested in a middle of the road ho-hum solution.

Lee
 
Hello,
FOMO=FEAR OF MISSING OUT.

With regard to binoculars, I was cured years, ago.

If I am still bird watching in a decade, I will consider replacing my current three well used binoculars.

Happy bird watching,
Arthur :hi:
 
Another thing worth mentioning when trying to assign "Alpha" credentials to an optic is night time performance. The FL and HT, as superlative as they both are in the daytime have pronounced flares on bright light sources at night, the FL also shows considerable ghosting, the SV and SF are both excellent in comparison. For birdwatching, it's a totally irrelevant point, in the context of overall optical quality, definitely part of the equation.
 
There are plenty of tangible reasons for having more than one pair of bins in your arsenal
Lee

Absolutely. So it´s more than each BF-er picking a single "alpha"...there are compact "alphas", 8x plus 10x, 32mm and 42mm, possible 12x or 15x to think of. Then there are those (including myself) who have strayed into 7x and IS territory. I could think of at least one "alpha" that I have tried in each of seven major categories, just for starters.
 
Back again Bob.
I would agree that my remark appears Eurocentric but would disagree that it is jingoist as a jingoist sees no merit in foreigners or foreign-made products although I understand you are taking my 'homeland' to be Europe rather than the UK for the sake of this discussion. Looking in my records I see that over the years I have had 7 Canon cameras and 21 lenses, mostly Canon but some Tamrons and it was the merest of circumstances that made my choice Canon back in the 1970s and not Nikon. In my photo world Canon and Nikon are alpha brands big-time.

As regards sports optics, I am open to being educated about Nikon's heritage. So come on guys, educate me about Nikon's sports optics heritage. Don't forget I already concede EDG and HG are excellent products and I accept that SE and EII are too, but this is current product not heritage.

Awaiting your posts.

Lee
Hello Lee, Hello everyone,

Sorry to be six months late, but it is important to my bank balance that I follow this forum only occasionally. Two years ago, you all helped me believe that I needed a pair of grey 8x42 Victory SFs -- a purchase I have never regretted -- and I don't need to learn that I should be thinking about Noctivid as well. :eek!:

But I have another rôle as a Nikon geek so, in that capacity, I should re-emerge from the shadows to say that Nikon made telescopes and binoculars long before it started making camera lenses, for the fledgling Canon company, in about 1936.

The first binoculars that Nikon made were the 6x15 Atom optics in 1921.

According to a presentation by Dr Gijs van Ginkel, of this parish,

http://www.houseofoutdoor.com/docum...-SWAROVSKI-OPTIK-1935-TO-THE PRESENT-TIME.pdf

Swarovski Optik started making 6x30 Porro Dienstglas bins in, or soon after, 1935.

Later,

John
 
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Another thing worth mentioning when trying to assign "Alpha" credentials to an optic is night time performance. The FL and HT, as superlative as they both are in the daytime have pronounced flares on bright light sources at night, the FL also shows considerable ghosting, the SV and SF are both excellent in comparison. For birdwatching, it's a totally irrelevant point, in the context of overall optical quality, definitely part of the equation.

?? Not from what I have seen and I have owned SV,FL and currently own the HT and a current model SLC.
 
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