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A future scenario and dilemma? (1 Viewer)

Sharp Shin said:
(Mind you, the thought of hundreds of small drones hovering over Minsmere reedbeds is an absolute nightmare ...)
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Yes, it would be! ... and I can see it coming, too, without some very strict controls...

chris butterworth said:
Hmmmm. So, if there are 10, 000 Dunlin on the beach with a solitary Western Sandpiper among them, and a friend shows me a photo of it that they'd just taken - there's no need for me to search through them, just tick it off. Nah! Optics just enhance vision, digital is exactly the same as looking at a photo in a magazine or on television. It doesn't count as a tick - but it does count as 'present' on a survey, a totally different scenario.
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Absolutely, that last bit, true!

But [*warning, wandering off-topic*], to my mind, the "Western Sandpiper" scenario is not so different than the way most people I know bird - including many of those on outings I have lead. Often, these end up being me pointing at things, and the person says something like, "Wow, a Purple-arsed Plover, cool!" [TICK]. I have actually taken to indicating, but pointedly not identifying, birds I see on outings, to try to force these people to become birders ... hasn't worked well, as you may imagine.
 
But [*warning, wandering off-topic*], to my mind, the "Western Sandpiper" scenario is not so different than the way most people I know bird - including many of those on outings I have lead. Often, these end up being me pointing at things, and the person says something like, "Wow, a Purple-arsed Plover, cool!" [TICK]. I have actually taken to indicating, but pointedly not identifying, birds I see on outings, to try to force these people to become birders ... hasn't worked well, as you may imagine.[/QUOTE]

Thankfully I never had you as a leader when I was struggling with bird ID. No wait, I still struggle with bird ID so, hopefully I won't ever have you as a leader.
 
angusmcoatup said:
Then of course we get the BF thread about photographers drones getting too close to the bird, drones being deployed into private gardens, the exif data on the drones camera being altered...... I can't wait.
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Luckily, a secret gun to shoot drones is cheaper than a secret drone. ;)
 
This raises a further question. Those who travelled to see the White-throated Needletail, only to arrive 1+ minute(s) after it's demise when hit by the blade of the turbine, on just seeing the corpse, can they include it in their ticks if the wish to, and would it count?
 
alcedo.atthis said:
This raises a further question. Those who travelled to see the White-throated Needletail, only to arrive 1+ minute(s) after it's demise when hit by the blade of the turbine, on just seeing the corpse, can they include it in their ticks if the wish to, and would it count?
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Not sure how it works in the UK, but per ABA rules "The bird must have been alive, wild, and unrestrained when encountered." So if you're counting it on a competitive ABA list, then officially, no.

But as been often said here: You can count anything you want. it's your list.
 
alcedo.atthis said:
This raises a further question. Those who travelled to see the White-throated Needletail, only to arrive 1+ minute(s) after it's demise when hit by the blade of the turbine, on just seeing the corpse, can they include it in their ticks if the wish to, and would it count?
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No. nonononononono.

You can't tick dead birds, whether they hit a turbine, were being carried away by a Sparrowhawk ("Its still twitching....") or were passed round the Porthcressa during the log (which gave me great views of Long-tailed Skua in 1985.) Even if they are still warm.

You can't have the Eskimo Curlew in the IOS museum, either.

John
 
Similarly do 'mirror ticks' count? - birds that othwer members of the car saw but you as driver only caught in the rear-view mirror?
 
Mirror and magnify count, light from the bird hit your retina while you were conscious of looking at it. Nothing else would count for me.
 
Farnboro John said:
This is the same question as the reputed North American habit of counting birds seen on live TV, as that is just a specialised form of optics with a nice long range (I've always regarded this as an urban myth...?)

No you can't, but the objective of proving the sighting is fulfilled so it can be put on the List.

John
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It's not a myth. Golf is the best. Especially when played with the big wrens in Az. Though not in my quiver I do have some East African bird books to use during the endless, 'Lions of the Serengeti' documentaries that always seem on some time, somewhere.
 
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