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2012 UK Orchid season updates (2 Viewers)

I suspect it may not be a good year for Bee orchids, especially here in the west country; poor numbers and those that have emerged are damaged by last weeks storms.

I visited 2 sites today; at one, which normally holds a few Bees with a few with sepaloid petals, I couldn't find a single plant. At the other, which normally holds quite a few, many of which are var belgarum I could only find 5 plants, four of which were belgarum (and the fifth was so badly browned I couldn't see the lip pattern).

Rich M

Interesting what you say about Bees, as I was at Ettington Warks yesterday at a roadside site which has normally a population of a hundred or so good size Bees, and in past years some bicolour plants. This year- only one tiny plant. They have done well in the past even during hot and dry spells.
 
Another odd Bee

Looks like a belgarum x trollii hybrid so I've called it Var. belgollii

Alan
 

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LOL @ belgollii. Nice find!

I don't think it's a bad year for Bees, at least not in the South East; I think I've probably seen more this year than I have in any in recent memory. Probably helps that I found a colony of 50 plants entirely by accident the other day; nowhere near all of them flowering, but still ;)

I thought the Musk in Surrey looked pretty much at their peak this weekend!
 
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Discovered an 'atrofuscus' Bee Orchid out at RSPB Radipole Lake this afternoon. There are none at the usualy site (probably due to it being flooded for several weeks in April) but a single is in flower nearer to the visitor center. Details available in the centre if anyones planning a visit.
 
Common spotted

Common Spotted numbers locally seem to be down this year, and they are also harder to find because the grass in the meadows is so tall this summer.

Went to a site today that has held var rhodochila in the past but couldn't find one in a quick search.

Earlier in the week I did find this quite heavily pigmented plant.

Rich M
 

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Bee orchid var flavescens

Don't know if it's just me or if this variant is rare in the west country but I've only seen it once before today.

Guided by some privately shared information (thanks a lot) I was able find 5 plants, and very nice they were too.

Am I correct in thinking it's more common in the south-east?

Rich M
 

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Bee oddities

On our travels today we found a couple of Bees that were having trouble unfurling.

In the lefthand photo they seem to be getting in each others way.

In the right hand photo, which is a var belgarum, you can see just how thin the lip really is.

Rich M
 

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Don't know if it's just me or if this variant is rare in the west country but I've only seen it once before today.

Guided by some privately shared information (thanks a lot) I was able find 5 plants, and very nice they were too.

Am I correct in thinking it's more common in the south-east?

Rich M

Was also lucky enough to see these plants in the South East a few days ago - again by some privately shared info that I really appreciated. Quite a few plants in this location - 20 to 30 maybe. I assume these are 'flavescens' as opposed to 'chlorantha'?

Chris
 

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Hmm, not that I have heard.

Check earlier in this thread.

While your motives might be completely genuine, I'm afraid there is sensitivity these days about openly giving out orchid sites.

I suspect you have hit barriers to information previously and feel slightly aggrieved by the lack of communication.

If this is the case, the best strategy is to prove your genuity by posting carefully-worded updates on here and engendering trust in the people who have access to the more esoteric sites, so that they can be sure that if they do pass you information, it will be treated with the sensitivity with which it was given, and not passed on irresponsibly.

PM me and we can have the conversation off the public forum!

Sean
 
There are very few Fen orchids in Norflok this year and are not worth seeing. Next year could be better.

Sean

Can't say that I agree with you Sean, I thought they were well worth seeing. I saw several today, some real beauties. I certainly wouldn't leave it for another year.
 
And on tuesday I was at Sandwich where the Lizards have had a real battering from rain and wind, especially on the beach. Few tall ones, in the past I have seen them nearly 80cm. Some nice ones in sheltered roads back from the beach. But still some life left in them. Close by a superb field of Southern Marsh with a few Common Spot Hybrids thrown in. very nice. And then to round off the day a superb bank of Late Spiders with varied markings, more than I have ever seen at that location before.
 
Thanks for your advice Mike and I am well aware of thefts from sites. I do however favour a more open approach to orchid sites and although I am quite happy to talk about many of them openly, as you rightly say there are some rather more sensitive than others. I saw some lovely wasp orchids in Warwickshire yesterday, but I have heard of colonies in Oxford, anyone know these?

Likewise, I prefer to be open about sites too but, as I'm sure you probably know, it's not always appropriate. I understand it can be highly annoying when people are unwilling to help you find a species/site through their apparent mistrust, hence why I'd reiterate Sean's point - ingage in forum discussions and post some of your own finds (aberrants and variations esp). I'm sure the good people on here would be happy to help you out!

Mike.
 
At Ainsdale yesterday - no time to really turn the place over, but Early Marsh, still in flower but not for much longer. Some Pyramidal, Northern Marsh and Common Spotted. Good numbers of Bee. Marsh Helleborine buds just opening.
 
Don't know if it's just me or if this variant is rare in the west country but I've only seen it once before today.

Guided by some privately shared information (thanks a lot) I was able find 5 plants, and very nice they were too.

Am I correct in thinking it's more common in the south-east?

Rich M

I reckon you might be right Rich, I've seen all sorts of things in Glos & Somerset but only seen flavescens in Kent.

Alan
 
Looks like a belgarum x trollii hybrid so I've called it Var. belgollii

Alan

Just looking through the rest of my photos from the "belgolli" site, I think this one is a definite botteronii, you're our resident expert on such things Rich, what do you think?
 

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Just looking through the rest of my photos from the "belgolli" site, I think this one is a definite botteronii, you're our resident expert on such things Rich, what do you think?

Just for good measure, what about these?

Alan
 

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