imm. Barn Swallow ID? (1 Viewer)

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DoghouseRiley

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• Aug 11, 2017

• #1

Ouse Valley, Cambs, UK

Pretty sure this is an imm. Barn Swallow?

Thanks, Gareth

 

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WACCOE

Marching on Together

• Aug 11, 2017

• #2

Sand Martin

 

MTem

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• Aug 11, 2017

• #3

Yes a Sand martin - an adult I'd say.

 

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DoghouseRiley

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• Aug 11, 2017

• #4

Hi Guys, can you give me some pointers please?

I don't see dark legs?

Gareth

 

KC Foggin

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• Aug 11, 2017

• #5

Sand Martin for me as well.

 

MTem

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• Aug 11, 2017

• #6

Of the UK swallows/martins only barn swallow and sand martin have a well-marked breast band (like here), but swallow juveniles would show a red-buff chin and crucially a red-buff forehead. The all dark forehead therefore makes this a sand martin. In juv sand martins the breast-band is less well defined, hence I think it's an adult.

Mick

 

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DoghouseRiley

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• Aug 11, 2017

• #7

Thought it might be a imm. Barn Swallow because there were 3 or 4 like this with a group of maybe 10-12 Swallows. Do the imm. Barn Swallows have the red markings when they are very young?

 

Nutcracker

Stop Brexit!

• Aug 11, 2017

• #8

Also Sand Martin because it is quite light brown. Young Barn Swallows, even though browner than adults, are still decidedly blackish-brown.

 

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DoghouseRiley

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• Aug 11, 2017

• #9

Thanks for everyone's input

 

MTem

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• Aug 11, 2017

• #10

DoghouseRiley said:

Thought it might be a imm. Barn Swallow because there were 3 or 4 like this with a group of maybe 10-12 Swallows. Do the imm. Barn Swallows have the red markings when they are very young?

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The chin and forehead are noticeably reddish from the start.
Mick

 

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DoghouseRiley

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• Aug 11, 2017

• #11

Mick & The Rest, thanks for help, Gareth